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TWA FLIGHT 800: Pilot takes NTSB to court: CIA lied, expert eyewitnesses come forward
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, December 12, 2003 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 12/12/2003 2:25:10 AM PST by JohnHuang2

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To: Orbiter
Is it reasonable to suggest that a commercial airliner would depart for an extended over-water flight with its main fuel tank empty, just like the TWA800 crew supposedly did before heading out across the Atlantic ocean in an aircraft full of passengers and cargo?

There are numerous flaws in the government explanation of TWA800, but the assertion that the Center Wing tank was empty isn't one of them.

Apparently, that tank is only used if the flight requires more fuel than the wing tanks can hold, and given the light load and distance of the flight, the CWT wasn't needed for fuel, and hence they don't fill it. (To use full tanks on all flights would needlessly increase fuel burn, to cover the weight of fuel the flight will never use. For maximim efficiency, they only fuel the aircraft for the specific flight and load conditions.)

I believe this has been confirmed many times by various 747 pilots who fly the same or similar routes.

The bigger problem with the empty CWT explosion theory is that jet fuel such as is used by 747's isn't explosive at the temperatures found inside the tank. The government offered up the theory that the air conditioning packs running on the ground before takeoff heated the tank's contents (residual fuel) above the temperture required for a spark to ignite it, but this is refuted by one independent investigator who took a thremos bottle and a lab-quality thermometer to JFK, and had a maintenence worker drain fuel from an "empty" CWT on a 747 sitting on the ground at JFK with it's AC packs running: the result was a temperature well below the ignition limit for that fuel.

They only known mechanism that can cause fuel at the temperature to explode is if a massive mechanical agitation causes the residual fuel to form an aerosol. Detonation of a missile warhead adjacent to the fuselage is reputedly one such means of aerosolizing the residual fuel in the CWT.

81 posted on 12/12/2003 8:48:52 AM PST by longshadow
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To: JohnHuang2
The answer as to "why a coverup" can be found in this article.

TWA Flight 800 – an FBI cover-up?

Essentially, the article about the book claims Clinton sat on it so as not to affect the election 3 months later.

82 posted on 12/12/2003 9:07:35 AM PST by Malsua
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To: verity
I could list dozens of instances where both of these agencies have out right lied. Just to name a few, Ruby Ridge, Waco, TWA flight 800 and I'm not sure exactly but what of the F.B.I. letting an innocent man go to jail for years in a a case they knew he was innocent but needed to protect their informant who actually did the killing? Happened in the north east.
There are many other instances. If you look you will find self serving situations. Coverups and still these agencies insist on needing more funds.
A paragon of virtue? no, but I am not criminal either.
83 posted on 12/12/2003 11:25:30 AM PST by Joe Boucher
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To: Joe Boucher
Be careful of using a broad brush to paint the entire government as untrustworthy because that would be inaccurate.
84 posted on 12/12/2003 11:51:48 AM PST by verity
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To: verity
Be careful of using a broad brush to paint the entire government as untrustworthy because that would be inaccurate.

It's also innaccurate to wield a broad brush to say that all prostitutes have STDs. I still wouldn't trust one. Odds and history are against you.

85 posted on 12/12/2003 11:56:17 AM PST by Jim Cane
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To: beezdotcom
Sometime between 1997 and 1999, and I do not remember when, I was scanning a newspaper and came across the obit of a 27-35 year old male (I cannot recall exactly) Navy diver who had died during some kind of Navy noncombat exercise. His obit said that he had been one of the divers sent in to pull out the parts of TWA800 from the ocean.

I know it's only one Navy dude whose death seemed mysterious and who had a connection to TWA800, but it was something I noted. I don't know who the investigators were. I don't know who the divers were. I only know the theories I've read on the internet and the stuff I heard on the news right after the explosion.
86 posted on 12/12/2003 12:02:47 PM PST by petitfour
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To: petitfour
I know it's only one Navy dude whose death seemed mysterious and who had a connection to TWA800, but it was something I noted.

Well, sure, it's worthy of note. However, I'd need a few more to convince me of "Arkancide"...
87 posted on 12/12/2003 12:04:43 PM PST by beezdotcom
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To: beezdotcom
Yep. Me, too. But I don't read every obit in the country every day. It was just happenstance that I saw that one.
88 posted on 12/12/2003 12:09:19 PM PST by petitfour
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To: JohnHuang2
Don't know where this will lead BUT if this is proven to be a TERRORIST attack and cover-up.....WELL WE KNOW ON WHO'S WATCH SEVERAL OTHER TERRORIST attacks were virtually ignored!!!
89 posted on 12/12/2003 12:11:13 PM PST by PISANO (God Bless our Troops........They will not TIRE - They will not FALTER - They will not FAIL!!!!!)
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To: PigRigger
BTW, regarding people taking responsibility, I believe often the wacky groups that take responsibility, actually had nothing to do with the terrorist act. For instance, Eric Rudolf didn't take responsibility for the bombing of the Olympics in Atlanta, so if Osama Bin Laden had claimed responsibility, who would know if it was true or not?

But just because an incident is not claimed by anyone, doesn't make it a innocent "accident".
90 posted on 12/12/2003 12:30:41 PM PST by JohnEBoy
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To: PISANO
PISANO said: "Don't know where this will lead BUT if this is proven to be a TERRORIST attack and cover-up....."

There will never be a "proof" regarding this episode. There may be future revelations, but it is unlikely that it will significantly affect the credibility of the cover story. The credibility is already extremely limited.

I would guess that a policy decision came down from Clinton that the plane blew up accidently. Anyone who made a claim inconsistent with that was pressured to give in. Their opportunity to object has passed.

The picture of the x-ray taken of Ron Brown's head clearly shows a pattern of debris in his skull, with no reasonable explanation for how it got there. The cover story that the x-ray cassette was defective can be challenged, but not conclusively discounted. ( What an incredible coincidence that all 33 particles on the x-ray cassette just happen to fall within the outline of Brown's skull.) The follow-up x-ray that was supposedly taken is missing.

Whatever was in Ron Brown's skull is still there if the information that Brown was not cremated is correct. I doubt that anyone will ever be allowed to exhume him and identify the debris. There will never be "proof" that Ron Brown did not die as the official determination states.

That the FBI, the CIA, the BATFE and other government agencies lie is a fact which few will contest. The possible scenarios involving such lies and coverups create a smooth continuum from illegal acts involving just a single person to cover-ups like TWA-800. It is impossible for an intelligent person to discern any point at which the suggestion of misconduct becomes too implausible.

Another aspect of cover-ups is that the "conspiracy theorists" must be discredited. The idea that our navy was involved in an exercise which went bad might be an example of a story floated to discredit the missile theory.

Many people who might believe that a cover-up could occur may not be sympathetic to those who would claim that our own navy would fail to reveal the truth. Such people will not want to be associated with an attack on the credibility of the navy and they will then choose not to be associated with anyone who doubts the official "explanation".

Who would believe that Pellicano would hire people to tap phone lines and plant intimidating items in a person's car? Now we know that he did and that he was in possession of explosives. Who now doubts that someone in power could hire Pellicano or someone like him to plant a bomb?

Were was Pellicano when the Earth Firsters supposedly blew themselves up? There were complaints that the investigation targetted the environmentalists to the exclusion of everyone else.

Where else do we see the investigators targetting someone to the apparent exclusion of everyone else? How about Richard Jewell? Gee, another explosion. How convenient. Isn't Rudolph floated as the bomber now? I thought he was targetting abortionists? What is the connection with an Olympic site? None that I know of.

That our Supreme Court is out of control is obvious. Their decision on the Foster photos will set a powerful precedent either for or against government withholding of evidence. Much more than just the fate of Vince Foster rides on this case.

91 posted on 12/12/2003 1:43:52 PM PST by William Tell
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To: Jim Cane
Invalid analogy.
92 posted on 12/12/2003 3:33:23 PM PST by verity
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To: brityank
Bump.
93 posted on 12/12/2003 5:37:48 PM PST by First_Salute
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To: autoresponder; JohnHuang2; MeeknMing; Grampa Dave; BOBTHENAILER; SAMWolf
The CIA "animation" was pure crap.

A shoulder-fired missile was fired from the fast boat, the only vessel leaving the scene while others converged to rescue.

As traitorrapist42 and Hitlery fired Woolsey for linking WTC I to Ramzi Yousef and Iraq, and pinned all of OKCBomb on the white guys, ignoring the Iraqi John Doe Number Two and Nichols' trips to Yousef's cell in the Phillipines, so, too, they suppressed the terrorist connection to TWA Flight 800.

Terrorism? What terrorism?

94 posted on 12/12/2003 8:11:44 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: demkicker
I agree with you. Clinton covered it up, took money from the airlines and kept us all fat and sassy. Why else would he commission an airline safety study right after flight 800 to find ways to protect the airlines from terrorism?

Read First Strike, TWA Flight 800 and the Attack on America, by Cashill and Sanders and see what you think.
95 posted on 12/12/2003 8:17:22 PM PST by ladyinred (If all the world's a stage, I want to operate the trap door!)
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To: JohnHuang2
I certainly hope Mr. Lahr will get to the truth. I live in the town that lost 14 of its high school youth, members of the French Club, who were shot out of the sky on their class trip to Paris.

No one in this town has ever accepted the Government's tall tale of how this tragedy came about.
96 posted on 12/12/2003 8:33:33 PM PST by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: epluribus_2; JohnEBoy
I think you're overestimating the difficulty of a cover-up. People at high levels of the federal gov are experts at working within a government hierarchy. They know that the one key rule for working in a government hierarchy is to keep your boss happy and out of trouble: agree with the boss, support his/her efforts towards achieving objectives, and don't make the boss look bad. All it takes to launch a massive cover-up is for the President to decide to make it happen. Also, there can't be indisputable evidence to the contrary, such as the live TV coverage of the 9/11 attacks.

The words "cover up" only exist in the mind of the President. He doesn't have to say them to anyone else. He just guides them to the goals he wants to achieve, intimidates those who can be intimidated, moves those who can't be intimidated out of the process, and rejects a story he doesn't want in the official gov report. Clinton no doubt had ways to initmidate the disloyal elements in his adminstration. It looks to me like Clinton got a thrill out of lying and getting away with it, and the bigger the lie the bigger the thrill. It only caught up with him a few times, in sex scandals with Monica and a couple other women. No doubt Clinton got huge satisfaction from covering up a missile attack on TWA 800 and replacing the truth with a huge lie. Oh BTW, it makes a cover-up much easier if the President is a Democrat because the media always wants to agree with a Democract President and rarely does a serious investigation into a Democrat.

97 posted on 12/12/2003 9:31:28 PM PST by defenderSD (I remember when America was truly free and people believed the Truth.)
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To: verity
Invalid analogy.

Perfect analogy. Wimbishy wumbly defense of our whorish government however.

98 posted on 12/13/2003 6:12:30 AM PST by Jim Cane
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To: Jim Cane
Obviously it is foolish of me to argue with a cum laude graduate of the Barbra Streisand School of Delusional Logic.
99 posted on 12/13/2003 6:15:39 AM PST by verity
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To: mfulstone
Clinton didn't want to rock Islam's boat and risk more terrorism. He was the ultimate appeaser. That's also why he wouldn't let the FBI pursue the Middle East connection to the OKC/Murrah bldg bombing.

By George, I think you've got it! I just wish our George could expose the mother %#@*er.
100 posted on 12/13/2003 9:00:27 AM PST by demkicker
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