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Need Recommendations for Good War/Military Books For Christmas
Skyman

Posted on 12/10/2003 9:17:18 PM PST by skyman

This is off topic, but I'm going to treat myself to some books for Christmas presents to myself and I'm looking for recommendations.

I especially like military book themes with true stories from any modern war. (They don't need to be the latest books)

One of my recent favorites was, "One Shot One Kill" by Sasser/Roberts. It's a great book with stories of snipers through many wars. The stories are fascinating. I would love to find similar books with true interesting stories through the eyes of tanks drivers, pilots, sailors, etc. or the grunt in the field during war and battles rather than just all factual books.

Although another book I liked was, "Bogeys and Bandits: "The Making of a Fighter Pilot" by Gandt.

What are some of your favorites?

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Sky


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To: skyman
Strongly recommend Ladislas Farago's biography of Patton: ''Patton: Ordeal and Triumph''.

Pulls no punches and dispels thoroughly a lot of unfortunately pervasive myths about the finest cavalry commander of the 20th century. On the website half.ebay.com, the current prices are:

Patton: Ordeal and Triumph Ladislas Farago
» Hardcover, 1964 - Buy it for $22.89 (Save 30%)
» Paperback, 1970 - Buy it for $3.99

I am not affiliated with ebay or half.com in any way, merely pointing out a bargain on a GREAT military biography.

FReegards, and the best of the Christmas season to you!

21 posted on 12/10/2003 9:48:01 PM PST by SAJ
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To: skyman
The March Up : Taking Baghdad with the 1st Marine Division
by Ray L. Smith, Bing West
22 posted on 12/10/2003 9:48:12 PM PST by concentric circles
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To: skyman
You might try William F. Buckley's "Blackford Oakes" spy/war novels.
23 posted on 12/10/2003 9:49:43 PM PST by Texas Eagle
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To: skyman
Thanks for all the recommendations!

Santa is going to be good to me this year and I've got enough so I'll continue to have good reading way into 2004.

This post will be buried by time by tomorrow morning when I check this again but I'll copy each of these and any added after this post and have a great list ..but just wanted to say thanks now!

Sky
24 posted on 12/10/2003 9:51:54 PM PST by skyman
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To: skyman
If you liked One shot, One Kill...get Craig's book on the JFK assn. called "Kill Zone"...and then tell me Oswald did it...
25 posted on 12/10/2003 9:53:27 PM PST by Keith
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To: skyman
PING for Christmas
26 posted on 12/10/2003 9:54:02 PM PST by Only1choice____Freedom (If everything you experienced, believed, lived was a lie, would you want to know the truth?)
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To: skyman
An Army at Dawn-The War in North Africa 1942-1943 (I can't figure out how to make this italics)
by Rick Atkinson

Very good depiction of the success/failures there.
27 posted on 12/10/2003 9:54:23 PM PST by sandpit
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To: skyman
The ultimate I-was-there Vietnam book?

The Dying Place, by David Maurer.

28 posted on 12/10/2003 9:54:52 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: skyman
library bump
29 posted on 12/10/2003 9:56:26 PM PST by Optimist (I think I'm beginning to see a pattern here.)
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To: skyman
Here are some great non-fiction books about war from the Revolution to WW II:

The Long Knife
James Alexander Thom, Ballantine Books
ISBN 0345380746

From Sea to Shining Sea
James Alexander Thom, Ballantine Books
ISBN 0345334515

A Most Fortunate Ship
Tyrone G. Martin, Naval Institute Press
ISBN 1557505888

So Far from God
John S. D. Eisenhower, Doubleday
ISBN 0385412142

Gods and Generals
Jeff Shaara, Ballantine Books
ISBN 0345422473

The Killer Angels
Michael Shaara, Ballantine Books
ISBN 0345348109

The Last Full Measure
Jeff Shaara, Ballantine Books
ISBN 0345434811

The Two Ocean War
Samuel Elliot Morrison, Little, Brown and Company
ISBN 0316583529

And here are some great ficitonal titles, with a shamless plug for my own series on a futrue World War III.

The Dragon's Fury Series
http://www.dragonsfuryseries.com
A Techno-thriller series about the next World War
Jeff Head, Alpha Connections

Winning of America Series
Allan W. Eckert, Jesse Stuart Foundation
ISBN 0945084919 - The Frontiersman (Vol. I)

Prelude to Glory Series
Ron Carter, Bookcraft
ISBN 1570084319 - Our Sacred Honor (Vol. I)

Enemies Foreign and Domestic
Matthew Bracken, Steelcutter Publishing
ISBN 0972831002
http://www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com

That last is a 2nd amendment fictional novel about a low grade Civil War II that erupts in the United States over 2nd amendment issues written by our own freeper, Travis Mcgee (Matt Bracken).

30 posted on 12/10/2003 10:02:15 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: skyman
"There's a War to Be Won: The US Army in World War II" by Geoffrey Perrett. A very good history of the buildup and actions of the army, and Perrett writes with a narrative flair that makes quite enjoyable some subjects that would otherwise seem dry and dull.

"The War Between the Generals: Inside the Allied High Command" by David Irving. Details the rivalries between various commanders in the AEF prior to D-Day and all the way to VE Day, while also relating the events on the Western Front. The sections on Monty vs. Patton, Bradley and Ike alone make the book worth it. While it's officially out of print, Amazon still has a few new and used copies available, and very inexpensive ones at that.
31 posted on 12/10/2003 10:03:16 PM PST by ABG(anybody but Gore) (...And second prize goes to Kenny, for his Edward James Olmos impersonation!)
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To: skyman

32 posted on 12/10/2003 10:04:11 PM PST by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: concentric circles
I agree. The March Up is a great first hand account of the tromping of the incapable and flat out incompentent Iraqi Millitary and Fedayeen. I would also suggest "The Hunt for Bin Laden - Task Force Dagger" by Robin Moore. This book will make you proud to be an American and make you want to hug Fort Bragg and Fort Campbell.
33 posted on 12/10/2003 10:04:29 PM PST by ChinaThreat (E)
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To: dts32041
(Retreat Hell, book 10 of the Corps saga Jan 04 Release date)

Thanks for that info, I don't have long to wait then, wheww! ... altho I usually wait for the paperback to come out (I have all 9 Corps books in paperback), but If I can snag the hardcover at the library, I may do so, I'm itching to see how the Inchon invasion is detailed by WEB. he writes a mean plot.

34 posted on 12/10/2003 10:08:28 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Want to help Support Our Troops .. For some ideas, check out my profile. Thanks!)
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To: skyman
I asked for "The March Up : Taking Baghdad with the 1st Marine Division." I heard G Gordon Liddy interview one of the authors on his show last week. For what it's worth, it has a five star rating at Amazon .
35 posted on 12/10/2003 10:09:21 PM PST by eeman
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To: skyman
Bookmarked and a Bump for the road. ;-)
36 posted on 12/10/2003 10:09:42 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Want to help Support Our Troops .. For some ideas, check out my profile. Thanks!)
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To: skyman
I read two pretty good Navy books these last few months:

"Hell Week: Seals in Training." This book is listed as fiction, but only because they changed the names.

"Sailors to the End" Riveting account of the fire aboard the U.S.S. Forrestal during the Vietnam war. (I've heard rumors that some military historians have criticized it, however, but I don't know the details. I await other freepers to fill me in.)

37 posted on 12/10/2003 10:10:25 PM PST by Our man in washington
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To: skyman
anything by James Dunnigan. My favorite is "how to make war". He has books on the new soldier and on cyberwar also...

38 posted on 12/10/2003 10:15:43 PM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Our man in washington
OK, not a war book but I just finished The Bounty (about the mutiny on the Bounty). This is one of the best written and enjoyable history books I have read in a long time. Must reading for anyone interested in naval history or the problems of leadership and command.
39 posted on 12/10/2003 10:16:21 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: skyman
While not a book - Duty - Honor - Country - MacArthur's Farewell Address at West Point is a classic read for all.


Duty - Honor - Country

The Farewell Address of General Douglas MacArthur

Delivered before the Corps of Cadets of the United States Military Academy at West Point on May 12, 1962, upon acceptance of the Sylvanus Thayer Award for service to his nation. The General spoke without a prepared address. Without even notes. And yet, this moving address commits to words as never before the creed of the Long Gray Line. It does more. It honors with eloquence the American Soldier - his courage, his sacrifices, his deeds.

As I was leaving the hotel this morning, a doorman asked me, "Where are you bound for General?" And when I relied, "West Point," he remarked, "Beautiful place. Have you ever been there before?"

No human being could fail to be deeply moved by such a tribute as this. Coming from a profession I have served so long, and a people I have loved so well, it fills me with an emotion I cannot express. But this award is not intended primarily to honor a personality, but to symbolize a great moral code - the code of conduct and chivalry of those who guard this beloved land of culture and ancient descent. That is the animation of this medallion. For all eyes and for all time, it is an expression of the ethics of the American soldier. That I should be integrated in this way with so noble an ideal arouses a sense of pride and yet of humility which will be with me always.

Duty - Honor - Country. Those three hallowed words reverently dictate what you ought to be, what you can be, what you will be. They are your rallying points; to build courage when courage seems to fail; to regain faith when there seems to be little cause for faith; to create hope when hope becomes forlorn. Unhappily, I possess neither that eloquence of diction, that poetry of imagination, nor that brilliance of metaphor to tell you all that they mean. The unbelievers will say they are but words, but a slogan, but a flamboyant phrase. Every pedant, every demagogue, every cynic, every hypocrite, every troublemaker, and I am sorry to say, some others of an entirely different character, will try to downgrade them even to the extent of mockery and ridicule.

But these are some of the things they do. They build your basic character; they mold you for your future roles as the custodians of the nation’s defense; they make you strong enough to know when you are weak, and brave enough to face yourself when you are afraid. They teach you to be proud and unbending in honest failure, but humble and gentle in success, not to substitute words for actions, not to seek the path of comfort, but to face the stress and spur of difficulty and challenge; to learn to stand up in the storm but to have compassion on those who fall; to master yourself before you seek to master others; to have a heart that is clean, a goal that is high; to learn to laugh yet never forget how to weep; to reach into the future yet never neglect the past; to be serious yet never to take yourself too seriously; to be modest so that you will remember the simplicity of true greatness, the open mind of true wisdom, the meekness of true strength. They give you a temper of the will, a quality of the imagination, a vigor of the emotions, a freshness of the deep springs of life, a temperamental predominance of courage over timidity, of an appetite for adventure over love of ease. They create in your heart the sense of wonder, the unfailing hope of what next, and the joy and inspiration of life. They teach you in this way to be an officer and a gentleman.

And what sort of soldiers are those you are to lead? Are they reliable? Are they brave? Are they capable of victory? Their story is known to all of you; it is the story of the American man-at-arms. My estimate of him was formed on the battlefield many many years ago, and has never changed. I regarded him then as I regard him now - as one of the world’s noblest figures, not only as one of the finest military characters, but also as one of the most stainless. His name and fame are the birthright of every American citizen. In his youth and strength, his love and loyalty, he gave all that mortality can give. He needs no eulogy from me or from any other man. He has written his own history and written it in red on his enemy’s breast. But when I think of his patience under adversity, of his courage under fire, and of his modesty in victory, I am filled with an emotion of admiration I cannot put into words. He belongs to history as furnishing one of the greatest examples of successful patriotism. He belongs to posterity as the instructor of future generations in the principles of liberty and freedom. He belongs to the present, to us, by his virtues and by his achievements. In twenty campaigns, on a hundred battlefields, around a thousand campfires, I have witnessed that enduring fortitude, that patriotic self-abnegation, and that invincible determination which have carved his statue in the hearts of his people. From one end of the world to the other he has drained deep the chalice of courage.

As I listened to those songs in memory’s eye, I could see those staggering columns of the First World War, bending under soggy packs, on many a weary march from dripping dusk to drizzling dawn, slogging ankle deep through the mire of shell-shocked roads, to form grimly for the attack, blue lipped, covered with sludge and mud, chilled by the wind and rain, driving home to their objective, and for many, to the judgment seat of God. I do not know the dignity of their birth, but I do know the glory of their death. They died unquestioning, uncomplaining, with faith in their hearts, and on their lips the hope that we would go on to victory. Always for them - Duty - Honor - Country; always their blood and sweat and tears as we sought the way and the light and the truth.

And twenty years after, on the other side of the globe, again the filth of murky foxholes, the stench of ghostly trenches, the slime of dripping dugouts; those boiling suns of relentless heat, those torrential rains of devastating storm, the loneliness and utter desolation of jungle trails, the bitterness of long separation from those they loved and cherished, the deadly pestilence of tropical disease, the horror of stricken areas of war; their resolute and determined defense, their swift and sure attack, their indomitable purpose, their complete and decisive victory - always victory - always through the bloody haze of their last reverberating shot, the vision of gaunt, ghastly men reverently following your password of Duty - Honor - Country.

The code which those words perpetrate embraces the highest moral laws and will stand the test of any ethics or philosophies ever promulgated for the uplift of mankind. Its requirements are for the things that are right, and its restraints are from the things that are wrong. The soldier, above all other men, is required to practice the greatest act of religious training - sacrifice. In battle and in the face of danger and death, he discloses those divine attributes which his Maker gave when He created man in His own image. No physical courage and no brute instinct can take the place of the Divine help which alone can sustain him. However horrible the incidents of war may be, the soldier who is called upon to offer and to give his life for his country is the noblest development of mankind.

You now face a new world - a world of change. The thrust into outer space of the satellites, spheres, and missiles mark the beginning of another epoch in the long story of mankind - in the chapter of the space age. In the five or more billions of years the scientists tell us it has taken to form the earth, in the three or more billion years of development of the human race, there has never been a more abrupt or staggering evolution. We deal now not with things of this world alone, but with the illimitable distances and as yet unfathomed mysteries of the universe. We are reaching out for a new and boundless frontier. We speak in strange terms: of harnessing the cosmic energy; of making winds and tides work for us; of creating unheard synthetic materials to supplement or even replace our old standard basics; to purify sea water for our drink; of mining ocean floors for new fields of wealth and food; of disease preventatives to expand life into the hundreds of years; of controlling the weather for a more equitable distribution of heat and cold, of rain and shine; of space ships to the moon; of the primary target in war, no longer limited to the armed forces of an enemy, but instead to include his civil populations; of ultimate conflict between a united human race and the sinister forces of some other planetary galaxy; of such dreams and fantasies as to make life the most exciting of all time.

And through all this welter of change and development, your mission remains fixed, determined, inviolable. It is to win our wars. Everything else in your professional career is but corollary to this vital dedication. All other public purposes, all other public projects, all other public needs, great or small, will find others for their accomplishment; but you are the ones who are trained to fight; yours is the profession of arms - the will to win, the sure knowledge that in war there is no substitute for victory; that if you lose, the nation will be destroyed; that the very obsession of your public service must be Duty - Honor - Country. Others will debate the controversial issues, national and international, which divide man’s minds; but serene, calm, aloof, you stand as the nation’s war guardian, as its lifeguard from the raging tides of international conflict; as its gladiator in the arena of battle. For a century and a half, you have defended, guarded, and protected its hallowed traditions of liberty and freedom, of right and justice. Let civilian voices argue the merits or demerits of our processes of government; whether our strength is being sapped by deficit financing indulged in too long; by federal paternalism grown too mighty; by power groups grown too arrogant; by politics grown too corrupt; by crime grown too rampant; by morals grown too low; by taxes grown too high; by extremists grown too violent; whether our personal liberties are as thorough and complete as they should be. These great national problems are not for your professional participation or military solution. Your guidepost stands out like a tenfold beacon in the night - Duty - Honor - Country.

You are the leaven which binds together the entire fabric of our national system of defense. From your ranks come the great captains who hold the nation’s destiny in their hands the moment the war tocsin sounds. The Long Gray Line has never failed us. Were you to do so, a million ghosts in olive drab, in brown khaki, in blue and gray, would rise from their white crosses thundering those magic words - Duty - Honor - Country.

This does not mean that you are war mongers. On the contrary, the soldier, above all other people, prays for peace, for he must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war. But always in our ears ring the ominous words of Plato, that wisest of all philosophers, "Only the dead have seen the end of war."

The shadows are lengthening for me. The twilight is here. My days of old have vanished from tone and tint; they have gone glimmering through the dreams of things that were. Their memory is one of wondrous beauty, watered by tears, and coaxed and caressed by the smiles of yesterday. I listen vainly, but with thirsty ear, for the witching melody of faint bugles blowing reveille, of far drums beating the long roll. In my dreams I hear again the crash of guns, the rattle of musketry, the strange mournful mutter of the battlefield. But, in the evening of my memory, always I come back to West Point. Always there echoes and re-echoes - Duty - Honor - Country.

Today marks my final roll call with you. But I want you to know, that when I cross the river, my last conscious thoughts will be of the Corps - and the Corps - and the Corps.

I bid you farewell.

40 posted on 12/10/2003 10:18:54 PM PST by B-Cause
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