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AMNESTY CRISIS: Fight Tom Ridge's new plan
Numbers USA ^ | 12-10-03 | Roy Beck

Posted on 12/10/2003 1:28:20 PM PST by Klickitat

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To: Dante3
You sure are totally out of touch or you have some vested interest in illegal aliens or you just want to see your words on the Internet. Illegal aliens are pouring into this country from across the border, including terrorists. This has nothing to do with us being at war with Mexico -- I want the Canadian border also protected.

Agreed. Also, there's already a group admitting they're here to take over parts of the U.S. militarily, and return the land to Mexico. They're not hiding it, either.

121 posted on 12/11/2003 7:23:05 AM PST by concerned about politics ( "Satire". It's Just "Satire.".......So it is.)
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To: Pelham
President Eisenhower activated the National Guard to integrate the schools of Little Rock.

My facts are straight. Perhaps you need to review yours.

Eisenhower reluctantly activated the National Guard and otherwise did nothing to secure the rights, especially voting rights, of millions of his constituents. Constituents which had no political power of their own. Little money and no voice. Had Ike been more forthcoming in his support of the Constitution, Blacks would still be voting for the "Party of Lincoln" today.

Ike dropped the ball which LBJ picked up and ran in for a political Touchdown (voting rights act).

122 posted on 12/11/2003 8:14:00 AM PST by The Shootist
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To: concerned about politics
Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge told a Miami audience Tuesday that the country should legalize 8 to 12 million illegals living in the country.

123 posted on 12/11/2003 8:14:35 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: rmlew
segregation and Jim Crow were nothing compared to genocide.

Of course not. But then again we are not discussing genocide.

We have been talking about mass arrests and deportation of illegal aliens en masse. Both of which are also very Hitleresque.

124 posted on 12/11/2003 8:16:31 AM PST by The Shootist
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To: rmlew
How do you think that the US gained Texas and later 1/2 of Mexico!

By sending in General Winfield Scott and winning the Mexican War?

125 posted on 12/11/2003 8:18:03 AM PST by The Shootist
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To: Sabertooth
Ridge wouldn't say anything unless he is carrying the message for Bush and Rasputin(Rove).
Some one said don't criticise unless you have a plan.
We have a plan it is to apply for entry to yhe U.S.A. go through the process and become approved and then become a citizen.

It has worked this way for over 100 years and should not be changed because 8 million or 80 million illegally cross the border.
Just look at Europe and their immigration problems which come from an open border policy.
Just think about the countless billions of taxpayer dollars being sucked up by people who don't contribute.
126 posted on 12/11/2003 8:18:58 AM PST by chatham
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To: FITZ
LAPD's Most Wanted

Talk about revealing.

You look at that, and then hear President Bush's Homeland security chief say yesterday that he wants to legalize 12 *million* illegal aliens.

I'm telling you, this is down right scary sh*t.

127 posted on 12/11/2003 8:19:27 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Klickitat; gubamyster; FairOpinion; FoxFang; FITZ; moehoward; Nea Wood; Joe Hadenuf; sangoo; ...
Action Alert!!!
128 posted on 12/11/2003 8:31:21 AM PST by JustPiper (Teach the Children to fight Liberalism ! They will be voting in 2008 !!!)
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To: Dante3
Illegal aliens are pouring into this country from across the border, including terrorists.

Exactly how many terrorists have come in through Mexico? What is your estimate. I can guarantee you that at least twenty times as many came in through JFK, Logan, and LAX airports. More have come in through Canada as well. We've caught terrorists driving across the border to the North. I've never heard of a self respecting terrorist who would waste time taking the scenic route through the dessert when they can fly in or drive across the border with impunity.

129 posted on 12/11/2003 8:33:08 AM PST by Dave S
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To: Area51
Shooting the bastards upon their setting foot in this country Illegally would do it for me!

Another member of the Hitler Youth.

It seems to me that civilized people do not react to what amounts to trespassing by shooting the intruder.

After taking into consideration all the information that I have gathered over the course of years about immigration, both illegal and legal, the seeming fact that the politicos, both Democrat and Republican, have no intention of enforcing our nation's laws in regards to immigration, and "The War on Terror" TM, the only logical thing to do with the illegals in this country is to grant them some type of status, concurrent with registration and identification, so that we know who and where they are.

Wishing that they were deported, or better yet, stopped from entering the country in the first place is just that, wishing. If wishes were fishes no one would starve. The government is not going to enforce the existing laws and there is nothing you, I, or anyone else can do about it. You are not going to convince 80% of the electorate, 1/2 of which cannot read, that it is ok to treat these immigrants any differently than they would like to be treated. If this is made into a BIG issue you can kiss the (sort of) Republican Congress and the RINO Presidency goodbye and say hello to Howard Dean, Tom Dashle and Nancy Pelosi, two of which are left of Hillary.

It's not worth it. Let the Suramericanos in and let them provide cheap labor. Give them a Social Security number and let them work their asses off and send money home to Mama and Papa. They will make better citizens than many who were born here.

130 posted on 12/11/2003 8:34:27 AM PST by The Shootist
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To: UCANSEE2
Ignoring the problem, or saying something like "deport them all" just shows a lack of understanding of the world, and the spirit of the American People. At least, the spirit I was taught and saw. That spirit seems mighty weak lately.

My parents never taught me that breaking the law is ok, or that those who break the law should be rewarded. What did your parents teach you about breaking the law?

131 posted on 12/11/2003 8:41:51 AM PST by usadave
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To: FITZ
They make much bigger money smuggling and dealing drugs --- and with the lack of education and skills they still wouldn't find good paying jobs.

That's all part of my point. We don't need a massive and growing criminal subculture inhabiting our neighborhoods, towns, and cities. They will have to be assimilated into the mainstream legally or they will assimilate themselves illegally at our expense. They will either become taxpayers or continue to cost us our tax money.
Remember, we are talking in the millions of people, not a few thousand. Amnesty and access to the mainstream is the steep price we all hve to pay for generations of open borders. It can not be undone.

132 posted on 12/11/2003 8:43:03 AM PST by Consort
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To: Dave S
sExactly how many terrorists have come in through Mexico?

Thats easy. THOUSANDS

Heres a few hundred. Pull your head out, and take a hard look at this before you go shooting off your mouth. And yes, these terrorist are no different than any other dangerous criminals. Wake up.

http://www.lapdonline.org/get_involved/most_wanted/0alpha_most_wanted/a_wanted_index.htm

133 posted on 12/11/2003 8:43:23 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: The Shootist
We cannot very well create a media spectacle of Federal goon squads gathering up suspected illegals and deporting them en masse, it would look to much like Hitler's Germany.

I don't remember Hitler's Germany gathering up suspected illegals and deporting them en masse.

134 posted on 12/11/2003 8:44:32 AM PST by usadave
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To: FITZ
LAPD's Most wanted

And how many of the criminals are in this country illegally? How many are not citizens? A foreign sounding name and a dark complexion does equate to a foreigner except in the eyes of Tancredo butt kissers. Seems the ones that I looked at had drivers licenses and CA didnt start giving them out until a month or so ago if they ever did.

135 posted on 12/11/2003 8:44:46 AM PST by Dave S
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To: Dave S
Most immigrants, legal or illegal work harder than the average American citizen

BS

136 posted on 12/11/2003 8:46:36 AM PST by usadave
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Amnesty will be a green light for all those who haven't come here yet. For every one that's legalized five more will come.
137 posted on 12/11/2003 8:46:37 AM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope!" - Terri Schiavo)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
sExactly how many terrorists have come in through Mexico?

Thats easy. THOUSANDS

So now you are cheapening the word terrorists by including run of the mill criminals. Hell using your standards, arent 40% of Californians criminals anyway, what difference does it make if you have a few more. With all the driving you have to do in California I cant imagine fewer than 40% having received a traffic violation making them criminals, perhaps of the lowest order, but criminals nevertheless. Maybe we ought to take away their gun rights, after all they are criminals. Jaywalk and turn in your 9mm.

138 posted on 12/11/2003 8:51:45 AM PST by Dave S
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To: UCANSEE2
ALL of THESE 'illegal' immigrants are HUMAN BEINGS who want the promise of America kept.

All of these illegal immigrants are LAWBREAKERS who have no respect for the laws of the United States. The promise of America would be kept if these people came to the United States LEGALLY.

139 posted on 12/11/2003 8:52:36 AM PST by usadave
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To: Klickitat
"Tom Ridge, the head of the new U.S. Department of Homeland Security, yesterday advocated legalizing (giving amnesty) to 8-12 million illegal aliens.


Should read Tom Ridge, the Meat Head of the ..."

Save your breath. And your time. Bush, Rove et al have sold out to the illegal aliens, the Islamofascists, and the leftists on the Courts.

Bad as things appear to be, they will get worse.

Bush II will be, like his idiot father, a one term President because he has forgotten his core constituency - real Americans, pro-Constitutionalists, Evangelicals, etc.
He never had, nor will he ever get the far left or even the middle of the road Democrats. To them he is an illegitimate president, branded, unfairly, by the leftist press as a Conservative.
140 posted on 12/11/2003 9:16:42 AM PST by ZULU
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