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Has Bush betrayed GOP values?
The Desert Sun ^

Posted on 12/10/2003 11:33:12 AM PST by Stew Padasso

Edited on 05/07/2004 5:43:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Orangedog
No, he seems to be sticking with the values of todays GOP....record pork barrel spending, suppression of free speech before elections, bigger, more intrusive government....

And a total denial of Christian values or doctrines in favor of humanism and evolution.

61 posted on 12/10/2003 1:50:22 PM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
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To: Southack; belmont_mark; ALOHA RONNIE; maui_hawaii; Travis McGee; Jeff Head; ntrulock; Alamo-Girl; ..
I plan on voting for GWB, but I will definitely be holding my nose. E.g., The GWB defense record is in fact quite mixed.

You listed the highlights. Let's look at the low-lights, which no RAT would, nor could, outline: I would have to tell you that the President has in fact posed a serious obstacle to proper funding of the DOD.

When he came in, it was in absolute crisis, needing another $200 billion immediate infusion to replace broken and worn-out equipment, depleted reserve strength, exhausted armament inventory, R&D and build new aircraft, new ships, and to replace at least two of the 5 Army divisions that Clinton knifed. Cheney had campaigned on replacing those two divisions. Instead, the paltry $15 billion made over Clinton's veto was all that GWB relied on as 'a substantial increase.' Note, the cost of inflation for the DOD exceeded that $15 billion 'increase' by about $8 billion. And GWB was ignoring the extreme degree of dilapidation and depletion left him as a 'poison pill' by Bubba. Refusing to do the supplemental emergency appropriation that was clearly warranted in January...in June he proposed only a paltry $35 billion increase for the whole year...stiffing the obvious need for the $200 billion. No new divisions. No additional new ships. No additional new planes. Was basically only enough to pay for the paltry pay raises of the existing personnel. Hence the extraordinary need by Rumsfeld to do everything on the shoe-string basis, with fewer boots on the ground. Concretely this has negative results: Osama and Saddam got away. It allowed a lot of the Fedayeen to get away and 'melt into the landscape' to fight from ambush another day.

Meanwhile, Clinton-Gore had sold off one of the key US-owned supplies of oil & gas the US military needed....Teapot Dome to a known socialist-supporting front company: Armand Hammer. Now the military needs to BUY oil & gas on the open market. Adversely affecting training and readiness issues.

No reductions of the Clinton-holdovers in the staff.
Continued Clintonization of 'Technology Review' staffing. Ie., decimation of said staff and mission to keep the tech out of communist/enemy hands.
Perpetuation of the 'don't ask, don't tell' insanity, Perpetuation of the US army's 'Blue-Helmut' missions to 60 nations. No roll-back of the over-stretch whatsoever. Caved in, ignominously, and for expressly cavil political calculations, to the Marxist media movement to surrender our operational use of the naval live-fire training base at Vieques, Puerto Rico. The base's value is currently in excess of $15 billion if placed on U.S. mainland, and would not provide an equally effective training environment. And no replacement of the still missing two Army divisions, post 9-11!

The Navy is still declining...ordering fewer ships than we are retiring. No replacement for the retiring F-14 Tomcat, the only long-range naval interceptor capable of protecting the Fleet against the supersonic cruise missiles the RUssians are selling willy-nilly to our enemies.

And the ABM you are so pleased with, appears (at least based on publicly disclosed programs) to be underfunded, and mis-directed. He appears to only be deploying for real the Clinton ground-based defense in Alaska...which can only defend 1-degree of azimuth attacks on the USA. He has consistently scuttled actual go-aheads on deploying the Aegis SM-3 anti-missile system, despite its near-perfect intercept record. He has failed to deploy Brilliant Pebbles. He has failed to re-activate Safeguard (it's better than the nothing currently deployed). He has decommissioned the 100 Peacekeeper MX missiles. He has decommissioned 6 Trident missile submarines. He has decommissioned half of the B-1B bomber fleet, despite their proving to be the most flexible, utilitarian and powerful bomber, bar none in the Iraq war. And then he signed the Moscow Treaty, which was totally unecessary, locking us into forced reductions of our nuclear warhead count down to 1,700. Meanwhile, the provisions on the Russians are expressly non-enforceable.

Then we need to look at the rest of your civil issues with similarly appropriate caution:

Signed into law the No Child Left Behind legislation delivering the most dramatic education reforms in a generation (challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations)

Actually a regurgitation of the facile framing of the issue as made by Karl Rove ( I heard him at the Midwest GOP Leadership conference say the identical nonsense). In fact, it abets and accelerates the Teddy Kennedy program of creating, in effect, a National school board with a whole slew of Kennedy-edicts and mandates that the local schools have to abide by. No actual improvement in the schools. Makes the divestituture of the last remnants of 'local control' almost complete. Schools continue to erode as the 'PC' Marxists continue unchecked as they have long since co-opted the Dept. of Education. No actual reform at the Dept. of Education... or in this bill. Just more federalization. More mandates. Which means less education. Less innovation. Just paper shuffling. Standards continue to be compromised, i.e., watered-down, erased.

Reorganized the INS in an attempt to safeguard the borders and ports of America and to eliminate bureaucratic redundancies and lack of accountability.

More facile double-talk. These are Non-credible assertions. Actually, he Reduced the number of personnel available to patrol. Fought against congressional attempts to budget and increase border patrols. Consistently has ignored evidence that the border weakness has led to many Chinese and Arab infiltration across the borders. Fought against the rights of border patrol organizations to organize and operate to assist in detection and tracking of infiltrators...aiding and abetting the 'civil rights' attacks against these groups. Cut a not-so-secret deal with Vincente Fox to destroy the border, and give Mexico 'carte blanche' to dump their unwanteds on the U.S. And now RINO-Tom Ridge...a close personal buddy of GWB, is openly saying its time to legalize the illegals.

Signed trade promotion authority

As used, this has resulted in a lack of fair trade, undercutting hundreds of thousands of US jobs, while making virtually ZERO headway for US-manufactures sales abroad. Lost 2.7 million U.S. jobs, while simultaneously, U.S. firms increased hiring in China and India by over 3 million. 2+2=4 . This is a brazen and fraudulent wealth transfer program, from the U.S. to the 'Third World'. The US needs the jobs more. Let them get their own.

Committed US funds to purchase medicine for millions of men and women and children now suffering with AIDS in Africa

Actually, he committed $10 billion of OUR money to this 'noble' cause. While there are many lamentable innocents in the tragedy, the fact is that much of it is the result of 'bad actors' i.e., malefactors spreading it through willfulness. And the African governments turn a blind eye to their witch-doctor approach to the problem. And as if our money is the missing ingredient...as if the African countries...Muslim/Marxist racist anti-white apartheid cesspools, were without resources. They have the world's greatest proven reserves of all minerals and precious metals and diamonds, etc. I.e., They need a good kick in the butt, and toppling of their tyrannies. We are propping up those tyrannies instead. Not good. Especially since he was not elected by us to be a spendthrift with OUR money. Selected strong conservative judges

As a local radio personality would say, "We don't know that." One was clearly pro-abortion. We do know though, that he has failed to go to the mat for any of his Court of Appeals nominees that the RATs have brazenly blocked. He could have made recess appointments, or shut down the government spending machines, and held the RATs hostage. But he caved.

And Don't Forget. He also did a 180-degree flip-flop on the Campaign Finance Reform bill of John McCain, despite his previously clear and well-reasoned four main objections to what he later termed 'a good bill.' Now we have the spectacle of the same five 'justices' (Sp?) on the Supreme Court who defend abortion to the hilt (literally), with 300 pages defending the constitutionality of its provisions which clearly were unconstitutional prohibitions on free speech. We will see if the only end run available, the 'Free Press' can be used. Problem: The 'RATS' already own most of it.

Conclusion: A Mixed Bag. And not driven by individual necessary compromises on specific bills with an opposing party. But outright general policy abdication. Sorry, but that's the way it looks.

62 posted on 12/10/2003 1:52:10 PM PST by Paul Ross (Reform Islam Now! -- Nuke Mecca!)
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To: Fast 1975
Bump. Time for constitutionalists to scream from the windows, 'we are not going to take anymore'.
63 posted on 12/10/2003 1:53:37 PM PST by Paul Ross (Reform Islam Now! -- Nuke Mecca!)
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To: Happy2BMe
The last Republican to serve in the White House was this man . .






64 posted on 12/10/2003 1:54:48 PM PST by Paul Ross (Reform Islam Now! -- Nuke Mecca!)
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To: KantianBurke
As for me, I'll vote third party. Probably Constitution Party.

Republicans are treating me like democrats treat blacks-assume they will vote for them because they have nowhere else to go.

Well, this Southerner is leaving the GOP's plantation.
65 posted on 12/10/2003 1:57:41 PM PST by rebel
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To: RckyRaCoCo
The irony is that if Dean won, the government would grow at a slower pace because Republicans would oppose any of HIS big spending ideas. Strange.
66 posted on 12/10/2003 1:57:55 PM PST by rcofdayton
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To: petercooper
I totally forgot about the funding of Palestinian terrorists too... let me add that to the list
67 posted on 12/10/2003 1:59:03 PM PST by thoughtomator (The U.N. is a terrorist organization)
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To: Stew Padasso
When liberals attack from the right. what a flamin
Stew-Padd-aso
68 posted on 12/10/2003 1:59:40 PM PST by Tempest
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To: Final Authority
Today, by a narrow decision, the SC decided that the first ammendment of the US Constitution is not as the framers wrote it but rather the government can decide what speech is proper or not.

Didn't you read how that was dismissed earlier in the thread? We don't need all that TV and radio advertizing...we have bumper stickers and blogs![/soaking in sarcasm]

The next bit of anti-constitutional law that he will sign is the return of the fairness doctrine which will destroy conservative talk radio.

And when that happens we'll have the same group here telling us that we don't need talk radio anymore...we have instant messaging!

We've forgotten who we are, where we came from and what the prize was. Now it's party over principle and screw the constitution, just as long as we take an issue away from the dems.

69 posted on 12/10/2003 2:01:57 PM PST by Orangedog (difference between a hamster & a gerbil?..there's more dark-meat on a hamster!)
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To: aruanan
I honestly couldn't remember the genesis of the CF bill, but found this article which answered some of my questions, and explains much else I didn't know:

"Bush Signs Campaign Finance Bill, Lawsuits Filed
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Congressional Bureau Chief
March 27, 2002

Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - President Bush signed into law the first significant changes to campaign finance rules since the 1970s Wednesday. But opponents of those revisions have already mounted their legal challenges to the new law.

"I believe that this legislation, although far from perfect, will improve the current financing system for Federal campaigns," Bush said in a statement.

The president cited three key components of the "Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act" (BCRA) he says will improve the campaign finance system:

preventing unions and corporations from making unregulated "soft-money" contributions; raising the limits on individual contributions; and expanding contribution disclosure requirements and compelling speedier compliance with existing regulations.

"These provisions ... will result in an election finance system that encourages greater individual participation, and provides the public more accurate and timely information, than does the present system," Bush claimed.

But the president also took issue with other provisions of the legislation.

"I believe individual freedom to participate in elections should be expanded, not diminished," he said, "and when individual freedoms are restricted, questions arise under the First Amendment."

Specifically, Bush questioned limiting individual contributions to political parties in connection with federal elections and what he called "the broad ban on issue advertising."

"Taken as a whole, this bill improves the current system of financing for Federal campaigns, and therefore I have signed it into law," he said. "I expect that the courts will resolve these legitimate legal questions as appropriate under the law," Bush predicted.

The president would not have to wait long for that prediction to be proven accurate. The National Rifle Association was waiting when the federal court for the District of Columbia opened its doors Wednesday morning. "We have filed suit to invalidate this unconstitutional infringement on the First Amendment rights of the NRA and our four million members nationwide," said Wayne LaPierre, NRA executive vice president, and James Jay Baker, executive director of the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action in a joint statement.

"The authors of this law have delivered a clear and straightforward message not only to NRA but to all American citizens. That message is this, 'Keep your mouths shut. Stay out of our political debates. Be quiet,'" the statement continued.

"Our response is this: the First Amendment protects us from such directives from the government. The First Amendment does not allow Congress to make laws which deny us the right to speak out on issues, the right of our members to associate together on public policy issues and the right to petition our government for redress of grievances. That is what this lawsuit is about," they added.

The chief congressional opponent of BCRA, Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), also filed suit in federal court to block the Federal Election Commission and the Federal Communications Commission from enforcing the new law.

"Today's filing is a first step in what is becoming an evolving omnibus constitutional attack spearheaded by Senator McConnell," said Judge Kenneth Starr, former U.S. Solicitor General, Whitewater Independent Counsel, and lead attorney for McConnell and six other plaintiffs.

Starr, working on behalf of the Southeastern Legal Foundation, is also representing Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga.), the National Right-to-Work Committee, Americans for Tax Reform, ProEnglish, and the 60 Plus Association.

A statement by the Foundation says McConnell's lawsuit raises a host of critical constitutional questions regarding the new campaign finance law, pointedly referring to it as legislation that creates "a new crime of incitement to political action."

The primary sponsors of BCRA, Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Russ Feingold (D-Wis.), and Reps. Martin Meehan (D-Mass.) and Christopher Shays (R-Conn.), have announced their intention to intervene in the lawsuits to assist the Department of Justice, which is charged with defending it in court. Attorney Seth Waxman, also a former U.S. Solicitor General, will lead the members' legal efforts.

"We're confident the landmark campaign finance reform bill signed into law today by President Bush will stand up to any constitutional challenge in court," the four said in a joint statement.

But the NRA views the potential outcome much differently.

"The law imposes severe civil and criminal penalties on citizens who have the audacity to speak out on issues of concern," the group explained in its statement, "and we do not believe that the Constitution of the United States of America and the U.S. Supreme Court can possibly allow such a result."

Under a special provision of BCRA, the lawsuits will be considered under "expedited review," meaning challenges will be heard out of sequence from the normal court calendar because of the potential impact on plaintiffs.

70 posted on 12/10/2003 2:06:34 PM PST by YaYa123 (@Pollyanna Hqs.com)
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To: RightWhale
The Federal Debt was on the way to being paid off until the Fed and OBL screwed things up. But it's improving and will be on the way to being paid off once more.

Can I borrow your rose-colored glasses?

You've been reading - and believing - that DNC crap again.

Show me just one year in the last 20 (or more) when the Federal Debt was not larger than the previous year. Just one. Show me.

71 posted on 12/10/2003 2:15:04 PM PST by jackbill
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To: jackbill
I know that. We were so close, but things broke the wrong way. Nevertheless, we were close and perhaps next time we will make the grade. The Federal debt should be gone in 12 years if we don't get carried away on foreign adventures and various social programs. Not the deficit; the debt. It can be done. Hip! Hip! Hurray!
72 posted on 12/10/2003 2:19:18 PM PST by RightWhale (Close your tag lines)
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To: Paul Ross
"he signed the Moscow Treaty, which was totally unecessary, locking us into forced reductions of our nuclear warhead count down to 1,700."

Down to 2,200 nuclear warheads for us, actually, with NO LIMITS on the destructive power of each warhead (which is why we've been upping the destructive power of our keepers).

And what sort of planet is going to exist should we use up 2,200 of 50 MegaTon nuclear warheads in such a short period that we haven't built their replacements (we can freely replace those warheads that we use, per the Moscow Treaty)?

You want *more* Tridents at sea?! You want *more* boots on the ground?!

You need to read Paul Kennedy's The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers, for *overspending* on Defense is second only to underspending for killing super-powers, historically.

The F-14 is great, but manned fighters are fast-becoming anachronisms. Where we need pilots, remotely-piloted aircraft will be the wave of the future, and in other areas we will be well-served by unmanned, autonomous drones that can carry more ordinance and make more extreme manuevers due to not having the weight and vulnerabilities of a person on board. So why blow money on systems that we are already obsoleting?

Oh no, President Bush didn't spend more on today's technology than the most hawkish of Pentagon suppliers wanted! What will we ever do?!

Frankly, Bush and Rumsfeld are kicking ass. The old guard of the Pentagon is no doubt hating every moment of having modern adults in charge, no doubt, because that means that they have to change (something that they aren't accustomed to doing).

Our ABM system is going up even as we speak. Our armies are unstoppable. Our aircraft rule the skies. Our navy controls all of the world's oceans, bar none.

We don't need more ships. We don't need more army divisions (we aren't "stuck" in Iraq, we can pull our forces out for whatever other battles we need, and retake Iraq at our leisure, for instance). We don't need to waste money on fighter jets that will be little more than obsolete aerial weapons platforms in 5 years, either.

The key is that we are modernizing, and I fully expect to hear quite a bit of right-wing carping about it along the way.

But our performance is uncontestable, in every sense of the word.

73 posted on 12/10/2003 2:22:12 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: YaYa123
Individual contributions should never have been limited. But contributions of individuals though political groups or other groups that represent the interests of members of the group should not be limited by placing limitations on the amounts of money or ways the money is spent by these groups. This is an assault on the voluntary association clause. It's as grievous an assault on the body politic as that snake LBJ's assault on charitable groups by holding their tax-exempt status hostage to their remaining silent on political matters.
74 posted on 12/10/2003 2:22:53 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Southack
Signed CFR, rolling back the 1st Amendment. He signed a law banning political speech.

Signaled that if SCOTUS ruled against Texas making laws against sodomy, he would do nothing.

Invoked LBJ's legacy in signing the largest medical entitlement program since medicare.

Look, I want to vote for the guy again, but you can't reward cowardice either. You VETO anything abridging speech.
75 posted on 12/10/2003 2:23:08 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Only those who dare truly live - CGA 88 Class Motto)
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To: Stew Padasso
YES
76 posted on 12/10/2003 2:23:22 PM PST by Kay Soze (As society must bear huge medical costs of ones "recreational activities", it must exert influence)
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To: RightWhale
You forgot the sarcasm tag.
77 posted on 12/10/2003 2:32:14 PM PST by jackbill
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To: jackbill
I almost never use the sarcasm code since--apparently only I know this--I employ irony.
78 posted on 12/10/2003 2:42:52 PM PST by RightWhale (Close your tag lines)
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To: Stew Padasso
Ah, more illumination from the Stupid Party. And Republicans wonder why they were in the wilderness for fifty years.

When you become the majority party, you act like the majority party. Punish enemies, reward friends. It's what makes government go.

It does no good to "stand by one's principles" if the people aren't ready to endorse what you believe in. The Dems never had a problem with this; which is why they were in power for so long.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

79 posted on 12/10/2003 2:44:22 PM PST by section9 (Major Kusanagi says, "Click on my pic and read my blog, or eat lead!")
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To: Happy2BMe
Great pic of a great man.

How far the party has fallen since.
80 posted on 12/10/2003 2:52:16 PM PST by Tauzero (Avoid loose hair styles. When government offices burn, long hair sometimes catches on fire.)
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