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Candidates leaving out facts in debate
AP | 12/10/03 | NEDRA PICKLER

Posted on 12/10/2003 3:19:56 AM PST by kattracks

WASHINGTON (AP) — It could be embarrassing to have millions of TV viewers think you don't shower. But Lisa and Randy Denuccio say they do in fact wash up, clearing up one of several misstatements by the Democratic presidential candidates in their latest debate.

Facts got most blurred Tuesday night when the Democrats took on President Bush's record, such as when Sen. John Kerry criticized the administration's environmental policies by telling the story of the Salem, N.H., couple.

As he told it, the Denuccios can't drink their water or shower because they live next to a lake contaminated with the gasoline additive MTBE.

But in a post-debate telephone interview, Lisa Denuccio said the couple now showers with the water from their town rather than the old polluted well. "We can't do without that," she said of the showers. However, she says, they still drink bottled water.

Debate viewers got a gloomy picture of the economy and, perhaps predictably, heard about none of the improvements that have come since Bush took office. For example, Sen. Joe Lieberman declared it would take a Democratic president to "get this economy going," but the economy has been gaining momentum over the last several months since Bush's third round of tax cuts took effect.

Weekly claims for unemployment insurance have fallen since April, and economic growth and productivity in the third quarter reached 20-year highs.

Several of the nine candidates criticized the tax cuts Bush pushed through Congress. But none mentioned that Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, who has served both Republican and Democratic presidents, has cited those cuts as a reason for the recent economic growth.

Using a favored attack line against Bush, Lieberman said "3.5 million people have lost their jobs" and Howard Dean commented twice on the 3 million jobs lost under Bush.

While it is true that about 3 million jobs were lost during the early months of the Bush presidency, that trend has been reversing for several months as the jobless rate has dropped from a peak of 6.4 percent in June to 5.9 percent last month.

Kathleen Hall Jamieson, who studies political rhetoric at the University of Pennsylvania, said the debate was filled with hyperbole and exaggeration typical of candidates trying to unseat an incumbent president.

"If you were trying to get facts from this debate, you are going to get confused," she said. "You have the party out of power exaggerating the negative impact of the administration and ignoring the positive impact."

Some of the context also got omitted on foreign policy, as in Wesley Clark's and Dean's arguments that Bush is "not fighting terrorism."

Although al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden remains at large, the administration's war, including the arrest of Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, has substantially thinned the ranks of the terror network. The administration also has thwarted attacks through increased cooperation with allies.

On the Iraq front, Dean declared, "I think we need to bring in foreign troops," although 24,000 soldiers from NATO countries are already fighting with the 130,000 U.S. troops. While some big Western allies, like Germany and France, have refused to send troops to Iraq, the campaign has received support from the likes of Britain, Poland, Japan, Italy, Hungary, Denmark and Ukraine.

The candidates also left out some of the facts when talking about their own campaigns.

North Carolina Sen. John Edwards boasted that he does not take money from Washington lobbyists because they have too much influence on politics. He did not mention that his campaign manager, Nick Baldick, has lobbied for clients like Blue Cross-Blue Shield, Burger King and Northwest Airlines.

Clark, meanwhile, said going to war with Iraq was a "strategic blunder." He also has said he would have voted for the congressional resolution that authorized Bush to use military force against Saddam Hussein.



TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; debate
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Would you believe this is AP?
1 posted on 12/10/2003 3:19:57 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Somehow a reporter snuck this through the filters. And somewhere an angry manager is saying, "Whack his pee-pee!"
2 posted on 12/10/2003 3:26:25 AM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman; MeeknMing


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3 posted on 12/10/2003 3:31:44 AM PST by autoresponder (<html> <center> <img src="http://0access.web1000.com/HV.gif"> </center> </html> HILLARY SHOOTS!)
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To: samtheman
::giggle::snort:::

you made me spew my coffee!! ROFL!
4 posted on 12/10/2003 3:32:22 AM PST by visualops (The costs of fighting the War on Terror are significant -the costs of not fighting are unimaginable.)
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To: kattracks
Would you believe this is AP?

It is shocking, but maybe they decided they needed a token conservative to look fair and balanced.

5 posted on 12/10/2003 3:33:46 AM PST by Always Right
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To: kattracks
You know the employment statistics are going against the Democrats when they start whining about people who lost their jobs three years ago and that the new jobs are not as good as the old ones. Nobody keeps track of the quality of jobs, so they can just cue the violins and bring out the sob stories about the executive chef working at McDonalds.

The Democratic message on their bread-and-butter issue, jobs, is getting more and more muddled as more and more of the DOL statistics turn against them. Look for this trend to continue.
6 posted on 12/10/2003 3:39:19 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: gridlock
Nobody keeps track of the quality of jobs, so they can just cue the violins and bring out the sob stories about the executive chef working at McDonalds.

But household incomes are tracked and they are rising too.

7 posted on 12/10/2003 3:44:30 AM PST by Always Right
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To: kattracks

8 posted on 12/10/2003 3:51:55 AM PST by Jaxter ("When they come for your guns, give 'em your ammo first.")
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To: samtheman
Somehow a reporter snuck this through the filters...

She's actually rather pretty:


9 posted on 12/10/2003 3:55:51 AM PST by backhoe (--30--)
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To: backhoe
Pretty? Are you an inmate at a correctional institution?
10 posted on 12/10/2003 4:19:14 AM PST by Phlap
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To: Phlap
Pretty? Are you an inmate at a correctional institution?

No- were you born rude, or did you have to study?

11 posted on 12/10/2003 4:34:26 AM PST by backhoe (--30--)
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To: backhoe
I think she's cute. Thanks for the pic.
12 posted on 12/10/2003 4:38:05 AM PST by raybbr
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To: backhoe
I'd hit it.
13 posted on 12/10/2003 4:40:03 AM PST by Norman Conquest
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To: raybbr; Norman Conquest
Thank you both... for whatever it's worth, Mrs. B thought she was kind of pretty, but that maybe the short hair was off-putting to some men.
14 posted on 12/10/2003 4:44:18 AM PST by backhoe (--30--)
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To: kattracks
As he told it, the Denuccios can't drink their water or shower because they live next to a lake contaminated with the gasoline additive MTBE.

Even this reporter didn't go far enough!

A History of MTBE
Related Articles
* A History of MTBE
* MTBE and Underground Storage Tanks
* More Articles on MTBE...
Related Links
* API - MTBE Resources
* More MTBE Information
* More Links for MTBE...
Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ether (MTBE) is a synthetic chemical commonly used as an additive to gasoline in the United States since the late 1970s. Originally, MTBE was used as an octane enhancer and lead substitute, in small amounts varying from 0.5 to 3.5 % by volume. More recently, MTBE and oxygenates have been used as an emission control strategy to reduce both carbon monoxide and hydrocarbon emissions from vehicles. In 1981 the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) approved the use of up to 10 percent by volume of MTBE and in 1988 increased this to 15 percent. In the late 1980's ARCO Petroleum began marketing Reformulated Gasoline (RFG) with MTBE as an additive. Called "EC-1", the fuel was designed specially to reduce emissions and to replace leaded gasoline in older vehicles. In 1990, Federal laws were passed requiring gasoline to contain 2.7% by weight oxygenate in the winter months to reduce carbon monoxide emissions in 39 cities across the country. About 2/3 of this oxygenate requirement was met by using MTBE (the remainder used ethanol). The Clean Air Act also established a RFG program containing 2% by weight oxygen content, which began implementation in 1995. The RFG program is mandatory in nine cities with the worst smog, including Los Angeles, San Diego, Chicago, Houston, Milwaukee, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Hartford, and New York City. Other areas voluntarily joined the RFG program. RFG is currently used in 17 states and the District of Columbia, and is estimated to reduce emissions equivalent to eliminating 16 million vehicles. The oxygenated fuels program is credited with achieving a significant reduction in CO and VOC emissions from the present vehicle fleet.


Go here for the whole story.

The use of MTBE was introduced in the '70s.

15 posted on 12/10/2003 4:46:18 AM PST by raybbr
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To: kattracks
Kathleen Hall Jamieson, who studies political rhetoric at the University of Pennsylvania, said the debate was filled with hyperbole and exaggeration typical of candidates trying to unseat an incumbent president.

"If you were trying to get facts from this debate, you are going to get confused," she said. "You have the party out of power exaggerating the negative impact of the administration and ignoring the positive impact."

Which founding father said of a provision in the Constitution that
This may be a reflection on human nature. But what is government if not the greatest of all reflections on human nature?
Conservatives as well as liberals are seduced into paying attention when a headline asks, "Is Your Drinking Water Unsafe?" People who self-select to be journalists are good at, and enthusiastic about, accentuating the negative about American society and any leadership of it which does not "reflect on human nature." Because, unfortunately, that is what produces commercial success in journalism.

The "Great Debate" format is designed by journalists specifically to produce "gotchas"--molehills out of which they will later produce mountains. That is an essentially anticonservative project--and only the anticonservative molehills are turned into mountains by journalism.

The basic conservative project during any election campaign must be to delegitimate claims of objectivity coming from the (marginally loyal) opposition--especially journalists. TV debates are bad because they put undue stress on the personality--not to say, the appearance--of the person who will in future be the head of state and of govenment in America. And the "moderation" of the "debates" by anticonservative partisans affecting to be neutral is particularly egregious.

Why Broadcast Journalism is
Unnecessary and Illegitimate

16 posted on 12/10/2003 4:58:56 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Belief in your own objectivity is the essence of subjectivity.)
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To: kattracks
Nationally, the net job increase from Nov. 2000 to Nov. 2003 has been 1.3 million jobs.

If 3 million jobs have been lost and the net gain is 1.3 then shouldn't the total jobs created be 4.3 million over the past 3 years?
17 posted on 12/10/2003 5:01:57 AM PST by Rebelbase (Diaparerne is crucial)
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To: kattracks
Hmmm, an article about Democrat presidential candidates being factually challenged (and ethically bankrupt).

Must be a slow news day. Perhaps tomorrow we'll learn that the sun rises in the east.
18 posted on 12/10/2003 5:49:55 AM PST by DustyMoment
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To: Always Right
But household incomes are tracked and they are rising too.

Well, that must be because the gap between the rich and the poor is getting greater...

Cue the violins!

19 posted on 12/10/2003 5:54:56 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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