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Gold-Dealers conscripted to spy on you?
321gold ^ | December 9, 2003 | Alex Wallenwein

Posted on 12/09/2003 3:34:13 PM PST by Jason_b

Gold-Dealers conscripted to spy on you?
Alex Wallenwein
Email: awallenwein@houston.rr.com
December 9, 2003

Just forget about buying and owning gold and other precious metals in privacy, as you have been able to do until now.

A new intelligence spending bill (HB 2417) has reportedly just passed Congress and is awaiting the President's signature by this coming Saturday, December 13, 2003. Tucked inside that bill is a provision that allows the FBI to serve so-called "national security letters" on a broader range of "financial institutions." National security letters require these institutions to reveal their customers' private financial as well as general information, including "tangible things."

It's no news that banks have been conscripted to spy on you. Everyone knows that by now. But this recent measure redefines "financial institutions," [a term] that was previously limited to banks, credit unions, and savings and loan organizations. Now the definition also includes brokers and dealers registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission, investment bankers, operators of credit-card systems, insurance companies, dealers in precious metals, stones, or jewels, licensed senders of money, telegraph companies, airplane and boat dealers, Realtors and estate closings, and the U.S. Post Office.

By this change, Congress has surreptitiously expanded the scope of businesses upon which so-called "national security letters" can be served by the FBI in order to obtain financial records without any prior court order, without even the slim judicial supervision that was previously provided by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court in such matters.

There was virtually no debate on this part of the bill, despite a letter sent to the Senate Intelligence Committee by the ACLU requesting more time and due consideration of this provision..

Private investors throughout the United States had better get up on their hind legs and demand that the President NOT sign this bill as passed - or just lie down forever and wait for their government's jack-booted minions and tank tracks to roll right over them.

What this administration - and this Congress - (collectively called your" elected leaders") have done to your constitutionally guaranteed fundamental rights unde the excuse of the 9-11 tragedy makes even avowed enemies of freedom like Bill Clinton and Franklin D. Roosevelt pale with envy.

This was supposed to be the administration that ran on a conservative platform aiming to reduce government. What we got was a neocon-drive toward ever greater invasion of every single part of our lives in the name of "national security" - or whatever it is that goes under today's Nazi-like nomenclature of "homeland defense." Why not just call it "fatherland defense" and be straight up about it?

Under the Orwellian misnomer of an Act that goes by the name of the "USA-PATRIOT" Act, our rubber-stamp Congress has already previously given the administration carte blanche to create a national database that will record every single citizen's and resident's credit card transaction, no matter whether you're buying a pound of butter at your local grocery store, or a birthday present for uncle Freddie in Idaho.

One controversial provision of that Act, the so-called "TIPS" program, was trying to give legal sanction to your neighbors, your milk man, phone repair guy, or cab driver to spy on you and report any "suspicious activity" or item (not defined, no judicial oversight) they happen to see in your home or in your possession to your benevolent rulers - for PAY!

And now this.

Your own preferred gold dealer, no matter how liberty-oriented or meticulously conscious of your financial privacy he may be by his own convictions, can now be conscripted to supply your government with every last detail of financial information he has about you.

Do you buy gold and just store it at home? You must be a gold "hoarder," someone who intends to undermine the great American paper-fed economy. Do you buy gold and transfer it to an offshore digital gold currency provider? You must be a terrorist sympathizer who is trying to launder money or transfer it without "official oversight." After all, "if you are an upstanding citizen, you have nothing to hide, do you??"

Are you buying expensive jewelry for your wife for Christmas? Your government wants to know every last detail about it.

Meanwhile, illegal immigrants are swamping our national borders to the South and the North, and this administration does nothing - except maybe undermine citizens' efforts to police their own borders in an attempt to fill the gaping security void left by this government. Muslim terrorists are amassing in Paraguay, preparing to strike "the Homeland." We hear nothing about it from our leaders.

What are our Congressmen and women thinking? Probably not much. They probably don't even read these outrageous provisions that are being sneaked into appropriations bills on an almost daily basis - provisions that are never even debated on the floor. Congressman Ron Paul has repeatedly pointed these things out. He has warned of the draconian provisions of the "Patriot" Act, only for the entire Congress to pass it virtually unanimously. I think his was the only dissenting vote.

Our politicians don't read the Constitution anymore. Left-liberals restrict their reading to the first amendment's free speech and establishment clauses, and self-described right-conservatives only read the second amendment. The rest of it appears to be superfluous verbiage to them.

That makes it incumbent upon you, the citizens of this country, including investors, to read, study, understand, and know the whole enchilada, including its foundational history - or you will end up living in the "People's Republic of the Americas" before you blink. If that's how it turns out to be, you will have only yourself to blame.

If you want your gold dealer to be your government's unwilling spy on you, please do nothing. Just ignore this article, return to your daily activities, and wait until you are contacted to receive your government mandated, implanted ID chip (just recently brought to market by a company named "Applied Digital Solutions" by the way).

And for your personal safety, you may wish to stop accessing the web sites where you have just read this article. Your personal Internet browsing habits are already being scrutinized. They may reveal that you have an "anti-administration" bias. And you know what that means:

You are suspect!

Never mind the actual terrorists. They are real, their threat is real, but they are just the official reason for instituting these attacks on your Liberty. Not coincidentally, the White House keeps blocking even Congressional investigations into the causes of 9-11.

This concerns not only precious metals investors.

It concerns car buyers, US Postal Service customers, bank customers, Western Union customers, credit card users, people who take out insurance on anything, boat owners, stock and mutual fund investors - and anyone who has the gall to voice their personal political opinions, no matter whether considered "left" or "right" - and practically everyone who breathes air and ingests food on a more or less regular basis.

If you do feel it is incumbent upon you to do something about this, please contact www.millionsofamericans.com. This is the correct link. I have tested it. The last one was unfortunately misspelled and did not work.

Contact "Millions of Americans.com" and encourage its founder, Bruce Eberle, to prepare and launch a petition drive to dissuade President Bush from signing that atrocious bill into law in its present form. You can send an e-mail to Mr. Eberle from this page: Go to the link "Write Us" in the top navigation bar.

Forward this piece via electronic Internet messaging systems (called e*m*a*i*l) to every one you know and their brother. You do not need to ask my permission for reproducing this article in any or/offline forum, as long as it is complete, without any changes, subtractions, or additions. You may, however, change the title to address it to your particular constituency. Just make it attention-grabbing.

This must not stand!

Got gall?

Alex Wallenwein Email: awallenwein@houston.rr.com


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gold; patriotactii; privacy; wordsfailme
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Thought this worthy of attention at Free Republic. If you think this article worthy of attention, please keep it bumped. If you know anyone who is pro-gold, please ping him. If there's a gold ping list (which I doubt) please ping it.

I'm going away to give you all time to decide if this is important enough to discuss. I'll be back later to see where it has gone. I don't mean to post and run, I have things to do. Sorry.

1 posted on 12/09/2003 3:34:13 PM PST by Jason_b
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To: Jason_b
bump
2 posted on 12/09/2003 3:37:00 PM PST by fishtank
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To: Tauzero; Starwind; AntiGuv; arete; sarcasm; David; Soren; Fractal Trader; Libertarianize the GOP; ..

3 posted on 12/09/2003 3:39:49 PM PST by sourcery (This is your country. This is your country under socialism. Any questions? Just say no to Socialism!)
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To: Jason_b
bump
4 posted on 12/09/2003 3:54:55 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Jason_b
Buy one coin a week. Pay cash.
5 posted on 12/09/2003 3:55:52 PM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: AdamSelene235
Gargh. Is nothing sacred anymore?
6 posted on 12/09/2003 3:59:34 PM PST by superloser
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To: superloser
Gargh. Is nothing sacred anymore?

Certainly not the 4th Amendment.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

7 posted on 12/09/2003 4:05:06 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (I always shoot for the moon......sometimes I hit London.- Von Braun)
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To: Jason_b; arete
If there's a gold ping list (which I doubt) please ping it.

Actually there is. Pinging him now.
8 posted on 12/09/2003 4:10:20 PM PST by jwh_Denver (Should I send my schedule for tomorrow to the goverment?)
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To: Jason_b
NO But gun dealers are.
9 posted on 12/09/2003 4:15:15 PM PST by Newbomb Turk
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To: Jason_b
There are still ways to transact gold privately:

Pecunix

Digital Monetary Trust

Caveat emptor, of course.

10 posted on 12/09/2003 4:19:16 PM PST by sourcery (This is your country. This is your country under socialism. Any questions? Just say no to Socialism!)
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To: fishtank
I'm a gold miner. I wonder how this is going to affect me. Will I have to register and report my sells?

Will a government inspector be watching over me? Is it time to say the hell with it and move to Costa Rica?
11 posted on 12/09/2003 4:19:45 PM PST by radioman
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To: BenLurkin
Buy one coin a week. Pay cash.

Just buy from different dealers (no single dealer, or their employees, need to know that much about you anyway, crooks might be involved in almost any business). Don't make two purchases in a row from the same dealer (if they are close together). And sell privately when/if you sell.

12 posted on 12/09/2003 4:26:48 PM PST by templar
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To: Tauzero; Matchett-PI; Ken H; rohry; headsonpikes; RCW2001; blam; hannosh4LtGovernor; ...
Actually there is. Pinging him now.

Ping to the (un)usual suspects.

Richard W.

13 posted on 12/09/2003 4:38:35 PM PST by arete (Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.)
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To: Jason_b
The government wants to know if I buy a gold necklace for my wife? The government, let's make that the criminal fascist syndicate occupying Washington, can go to hell. Next it'll want me to count my ammo and fill out a report. It can go to hell on that, too.
14 posted on 12/09/2003 4:45:21 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: jwh_Denver
I appreciate your subtle humor.

15 posted on 12/09/2003 4:51:18 PM PST by Jason_b
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To: sourcery
Confiscation of Gold - Here is the Executive Order
17 posted on 12/09/2003 4:54:59 PM PST by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: Jason_b
Hmmm . . . . How d'ya suppose this will affect people like Goldie Hawn??? Ohhmygosh... what about those classic GoldieLocks stories??? ;-))

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18 posted on 12/09/2003 5:09:02 PM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: scrutiny
You can purchase gold using one of the offshore digital gold currency exchange providers, and then redeem the gold in your account for physical gold bars, for delivery to your vault (e.g, a safety deposit box at your bank in Switzerland.)

If TSHTF, the last thing you would want would be to have physical gold in your possession within the jurisdiction of the US legal system. Nor would you want your gold transactions to be traceable, nor your gold accounts to be subject to US legal process.

If things got so bad that money was worthless, then only water, food and weapons would have any real value.

19 posted on 12/09/2003 5:19:11 PM PST by sourcery (This is your country. This is your country under socialism. Any questions? Just say no to Socialism!)
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To: templar
Right. Go to four different dealers and you're just a guy they see once a month or so.
20 posted on 12/09/2003 5:20:08 PM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is Slavery)
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