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Christmas Tree Removed because IU Professor is Offended

Posted on 12/08/2003 2:27:22 PM PST by Rush Reagan

Joshua Claybourn comments on his blog and on HR regarding the controversy over a Christmas tree that has been removed from the IU Law School at IUPUI. Professor Florence Roisman complained that the tree, even undecorated, was "a symbol of Christianity on government property".

Channel 6 in Indianapolis has a story here, the Indianapolis Star report is here, and the Indiana Daily Student reports on the matter here. The IDS has a great parody in its' December 8 staff editorial.

The Supreme Court has ruled that Christmas trees are secular symbols. This makes sense. Christmas itself has become a secular holiday. While the birth of Christ is still prominent, the holiday is also associated with family get-togethers and gift exchanges. One need not be a Christian to celebrate Christmas.

But political correctness reigns at IUPUI. Because some people might be offended, the tree has to go. This is just plain silly. Exactly whose rights are being infringed by a Christmas tree on the IUPUI campus? Sure, some people might feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel "excluded". Well, perhaps it's time to grow up. The Christmas celebration is everywhere you look in America.

What is disappointing about this is that the complaint that led to the tree's removal was filed not by a student, but by a professor. While college students should be mature enough to deal with something they don't like rather than demand it be censored, professors really should know better. Professor Roisman could learn from Daniel Birenbaum, a freshman at IU-Bloomington who told the IDS: "I don't just accept (Christmas), I can appreciate it. Being an observant Jew, I can certainly understand people celebrating their faith." Even better was the following quote by David Fuchs, who told the IDS those who celebrate Christmas shouldn't feel as if they need to express remorse to non-Christian students. "I always find it ridiculous the way people try to apologize for their own personal beliefs. (Christmas) really doesn't bother me."

If you'd like to tell the professor how YOU feel contact her at Florence Wagman Roisman Michael D. McCormick Professor of Law

Indiana University School of Law - Indianapolis Lawrence W. Inlow Hall, Room 303 530 W. New York Street Indianapolis, IN 46202-3225

Phone: (317) 274-4479 Fax: (317) 278-3326 E-Mail ID: froisman Send to: @iupui.edu


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: academia; christmas; decorations; grench; iu; pc; purge; thegrench; tyrannyofthefew; tyrannyoftheminority
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1 posted on 12/08/2003 2:27:23 PM PST by Rush Reagan
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To: Rush Reagan
Maybe if they replaced it with a 40-foot-high penis he'd be more comfortable?
2 posted on 12/08/2003 2:28:12 PM PST by thoughtomator (The U.N. is a terrorist organization)
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To: thoughtomator
Since the professor is female, you're probably right...

then again...

3 posted on 12/08/2003 2:30:01 PM PST by danneskjold
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To: thoughtomator
Democracy in action...oh wait, sounds like tyranny, because it took only one person, not a majority.
4 posted on 12/08/2003 2:30:35 PM PST by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count)
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To: Rush Reagan
Christmas celebration is everywhere you look in America.

It's also a NATIONAL holiday. These people really piss me off.

5 posted on 12/08/2003 2:31:52 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Rush Reagan
PC is about to crumble under its own weight.

It won't be long now.
6 posted on 12/08/2003 2:32:04 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Rush Reagan
What about those of us who find the absence of a Nativity and/or Christmas tree to be offensive? Don't our feelings count??

I'm offended by the University's actions! Does that mean I have a right to demand that they rectify it by catering to my sensitivities?

Oh...that's right...I'm a conservative, so my sensitivities don't count. : (

7 posted on 12/08/2003 2:32:14 PM PST by Prime Choice (Leftist opinions may be free, but I still feel like I'm getting ripped off every time I receive one.)
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To: Rush Reagan
I AM OFFENDED BY ATHEISM. Get him the Hell off the face of the EARTH!
8 posted on 12/08/2003 2:33:11 PM PST by lawdude (Liberalism: A failure every time it is tried!)
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To: Rush Reagan
Thank you, RR, I enjoyed sending that "woman" an email.
9 posted on 12/08/2003 2:34:38 PM PST by AuntB (REFORM SS DISABILITY: http://www.petitiononline.com/SSDC)
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To: Rush Reagan
What is disappointing about this is that the complaint that led to the tree's removal was filed not by a student, but by a professor.

Then the University or whoever paid to have it put up should send this overpaid, oversensitive, over-PC professor a bill and make her pay for the removal. If Florence Roisman doesn't like it...fine. But make her pay to have it removed. Period. Watch how fast she shuts her pie-hole.

10 posted on 12/08/2003 2:35:16 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (I have opinions of my own - strong opinions - but I don't always agree with them.)
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To: Rush Reagan
Remove the professette immediately. The Christmas tree is offended.
12 posted on 12/08/2003 2:38:42 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Ignorance can be corrected with knowledge. Stupid is permanent.)
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To: Cobra64
Christmas Tree Removed because IU Professor is Offended

'cool'........'Just say...."No".....

Everybody can start their own denomination of "Secular-Religion-Church".

That would be 'very interesting' now wouldn't it?

:-)

a....new 'secular-religion-that-has-as-one-of-it's-idols,...a christmas tree...'idol-a-tree'.

:-)

13 posted on 12/08/2003 2:40:11 PM PST by maestro
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To: Rush Reagan
Tyranny-of-the-minority, scumbag Florence Roisman bump.
14 posted on 12/08/2003 2:40:54 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
Just damn.

If you want on the new list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

15 posted on 12/08/2003 2:41:22 PM PST by mhking
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To: Rush Reagan
She is long-time radical, member of the Poverty and Race Research Council
16 posted on 12/08/2003 2:44:24 PM PST by MindBender26 (For more news as it happens, stay tuned to your local FReeper Network station)
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To: Joe Boucher
"When they thaw and open they smell worse then she does."

Maybe, maybe not....
17 posted on 12/08/2003 2:44:59 PM PST by VMI70 (...but two Wrights made an airplane)
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To: Rush Reagan
Professor Florence Roisman complained that the tree, even undecorated, was "a symbol of Christianity on government property".

Yeah, my favorite part of the Gospels was the miracle of the loaves, fishes, and Christmas Trees. Though with twelve Apostles and only eight tiny reindeer, making carpool arrangements after the party was a real pain.

18 posted on 12/08/2003 2:45:40 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Rush Reagan
There is no constitutional right not to be offended.
19 posted on 12/08/2003 2:45:50 PM PST by MindBender26 (For more news as it happens, stay tuned to your local FReeper Network station)
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To: Rush Reagan
Professor Florence Roisman complained that the tree, even undecorated, was "a symbol of Christianity on government property".

Is this another example of America's "Judeo/Christian ethic"?

20 posted on 12/08/2003 2:46:03 PM PST by TheCrusader
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