Hydrogen Cars are A Reality: Scientist is a Guest on Coast2Coast Right Now

United Nuclear: Hydrogen Fuel Systems ^ | 12/5/2003 | Bob Lazar

[ex-Texan]

United Nuclear is currently in final testing, and will shortly be producing Hydrogen conversion systems / Hydrogen generators for most fuel injected, Gasoline powered vehicles.

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These new vehicles are very efficient, and in fact are more efficient than any internal combustion engine. The problem is that these new vehicles are years away from production, are very expensive, and converting to using Hydrogen fuel in this manner requires you to buy a new ( and expensive) vehicle. All Hydrogen/Fuel Cell systems currently under development by large manufacturers have you purchase Hydrogen as you would Gasoline.

Our system comes with its own "in-home" Hydrogen generator which allows you to manufacture fuel yourself at near zero cost.

Our Hydrogen conversion is an intermediate approach that simply converts your existing vehicle to burn Hydrogen or Gasoline. The Gasoline fuel system remains intact and is not modified. This allows you to switch between running on Gasoline or Hydrogen at any time. The engine itself is only slightly modified, the conversion makes substantial changes to the computer & electrical system, ignition and cooling systems. Since they never have to be removed, Hydrogen fuel storage (Hydride tanks) can be installed in virtually any available space within the vehicle.

The system consists of two parts, the Hydrogen fuel system in your vehicle, and a Hydrogen generating system that remains in your garage. The Hydrogen generator is either powered by solar panels on the roof of your house, a wind turbine set-up (both of which makes your Hydrogen fuel at virtually no cost) or with standard 110 volt AC power for rapid refueling.

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What's Real?

A lot has been written about converting vehicles to run hydrogen. Unfortunately, a lot of what you'll find on the internet is simply untrue.

ANY claim of fueling a car with water, and having the water converted to Hydrogen quickly enough to power a passenger vehicle is pure B.S. The bottom line is simple physics. It takes electrical energy to break the Hydrogen-Oxygen bond in water and release the free gases... and that takes time. The more energy applied to the water, the faster the gasses will evolve... up to a point.

It is not possible to create sufficient amounts Hydrogen gas from water (on board the vehicle) fast enough to idle the smallest passenger vehicle. If your towing a nuclear reactor behind the car, along with a motor home-sized Hydrogen generator, you might have sufficient power and volume to accomplish the task, but that kind of defeats the purpose behind the conversion.

You can produce your own Hydrogen from electricity using either common "household current" or directly from solar cells so your energy cost is zero. It does however take a substantial amount of time to produce sufficient Hydrogen to fill even a small tank.

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Coast2Coast

[dalereed]

"Gas prices have to be a lot higher before people would buy them, though. $60-$100 per gallon would do it."

I'd just raise the price I charge my customers and continue driving my heavy, high HP, quick accelerating 15 mpg PU!

Take your light, peanut sized, junk vehicles and shove them, I wouldn't even own one to go to the market and that includes most of the current vehicles!

[dalereed]

Whats the latest on the turkey scraps to crude oil plant?

If that's successful there isn't any need for Arabs or hydrogen, there's nothing finer than good old gasoline and the internal combustion engine.

[Bartholomew Roberts]

One of the funniest repies of Free Republic! And on the money!

Take one technology that is presently overrated, add a scam artist and what do you get?

Ex-tex ought to be thanking you not poo-pooing. But then again his investment portfolio is probably spread between this co. and a Nigerian banking deal he heard about through a personal e-mail.

I'm sure it was easy for him to raise all that investment money on Amway commissions though.

[taxcontrol]

Also from the web site:

"Currently, the biggest stumbling block of the Hydrogen fuel system at this point is the cost of the metal Hydride itself. At current prices, the required amount of metal Hydride costs between $7,000 to $18,000 per vehicle."

Lets see, 50% to 150% the cost of the vehicle. Lets do a quick financial analysis.

Let us assume the lower end of $8,000 to convert. Let us also assume that a person is currently spending $60 per month in gas. That gives us a payback period of 133 months (break even). 11 years to break even.

No thanks.

To make things worse, I only spend about $30 per month in gas.

[dalereed]

"I only spend about $30 per month in gas."

Consider yourself fortunate!

My gas bill is between $250 and $300/mo. and that doesn't include my wifes car which is the neighborhood of $150/mo.

[taxcontrol]

So at $16,000 (two cars) and a monthly gas bill of $450, it would still take you 36 months to break even. Not to bad, if you plan on keeping your car longer than 4 years.

[dalereed]

For $16k I could buy enough hydrocloric acid and scrap zinc and make more than enough hydrogen to last me the rest of my life!

Even muratic (swiming pool acid) which is weak hydrocloric works but not as efficent as hydrocloric.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

I used to work nights for about two years and have listened to countless "COAST to COAST" broadcasts.

I finally decided it was a depository for numerous NUT cases that were in a last ditch effort to get someone to take them seriously.

George Nourie believes every thing from "Shadow People" to Secret chemical trails that are being deposited in the upper atmosphere by the mulitary to make us all sick.

These people should not be taken seriously. And don't forget, they have an obsession with UFO technology used by our goverment that was stolen from the Aliens that crashed at Roswell, NM.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

If what you claim is so simple and basic, as well as easy, then why aren't you proving it to the public or cashing in on it yourself?

Not to mention, NASA uses Hydrogen to fuel their rockets. In order to make that fuel, they use over 3 units of energy to produce 1 unit of fuel. Are they missing something?

Perhaps you should help them out and show them what they are doing wrong.

[dalereed]

It's simple chemestry I learned as a child 60 years ago and sonething i'm suprised almost everyone doesn't know.

Just after WW-2 I used to make it in a 5 gal. water bottle to fill weather baloons that I filled with half air and half hydrogen I exploded over the city.

[Semper911]

NASA uses Hydrogen to fuel their rockets. In order to make that fuel, they use over 3 units of energy to produce 1 unit of fuel.

Hey, would you happen to have a link to that kind of information?

I am a middle school teacher and I have a group of students exploring hydrogen fuel cell technology in an after-school club. We are particularly interested in the energy to energy ratios like you mentioned. We have done all kinds of searches and haven't had much luck.

Thanks if you can help.

[Woahhs]

Time will tell.

I won't pretend to have the background to weigh the validity of Lazar's claims, but then I also remember the thread that claimed President Bush was serving Thanksgiving dinner to the troops in Iraq.

IIRC that one got to over a hundred posts before mainstream news sources confirmed the story. Prior to said confirmation, posters pulled out all the stops to castigate the original poster.

[MainFrame65]

I had this happen once. I was waiting in the car, listening to the radio for 5 minutes that turned into 20 minutes, as sometimes happens with my wife. Finally, when I saw her come out of the store, I tried to start my car and was rewarded with a very loud "bang" and an immediate loss of power. Operating the starter had generated a spark that ignited the hydrogen generated by using the radio, and the battery was destroyed by it.

Fortunately, I was across the street from the AutoZone store where I had bought the battery almost two years previously, and they gave me a new one in exchange for the old carcass, probably because it was the first time they had seen such an event.

[dalereed]

I used to have batteries blow up all the time when my lathers were using the sissors lifts welding steel framing!

[WhiteGuy]

I still like the fart car idea.................

HEY!

That was my Idea !!

[Voltage]

I like that 400 mile/gallon car idea. Will I be able to put my snow plow on the front so I can get out of my yard in the winter? Keep in mind that the snow plow will weigh more than the car.

No heater?

Never mind!

[Veracious Poet]

EAT MORE BEANS, SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT!

Sounds straight out of Berkeley...lol :-)

[dalereed]

"I still like the fart car idea"

Fine until they install a meter on your backside and send the meter reader around once a month to collect the "gas tax"!

[WhiteGuy]

"meter reader".....................

Whould that be the worst job in the country, or what?

[dalereed]

"Would that be the worst job in the country, or what?

Especially if they had to remove and re install the meter to read it!