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Iraqi army chief backs WMD claim
news.com.au ^ | 12-06-03 | From correspondents in London

Posted on 12/06/2003 6:35:16 PM PST by RaceBannon

Iraqi army chief backs WMD claim

From correspondents in London

December 7, 2003

AN Iraqi officer has identified himself as the source for a British claim about Saddam Hussein's weapons that sparked a controversy marked by the death of a British government arms expert.

The Sunday Telegraph said Lt Col al-Dabbagh identified himself as the source for the British government's assertion that Iraq could have deployed chemical or biological weapons of mass destruction within 45 minutes of a decision to do so. The paper gave the officer's surname only, citing fears for his safety if he was fully identified.

Prime Minister Tony Blair's office declined comment on the newspaper report, which featured in early editions published late Saturday.

"We're not prepared to comment but we urge all those involved to provide the Iraq Survey Group with whatever information they believe they have," a spokeswoman for Mr Blair's office said late Saturday. The ISG is the coalition body searching for Saddam's alleged chemical or biological weapons.

No one was available at the Foreign Office to comment on aspects of the newspaper report regarding the MI6 foreign intelligence agency, which supplied information on Iraqi weapons before the war.


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The 45-minute claim featured in a government dossier published in September 2002. A BBC report later accused the government of "sexing up" the dossier to make a more convincing case for military action. Government weapons adviser David Kelly apparently committed suicide in July after being identified as the source for the BBC report.

Mr Kelly's death prompted a judicial inquiry that scrutinized the workings of Mr Blair's government and its use of intelligence in the build-up to war. The senior judge who headed the inquiry, Lord Hutton, is expected to issue his report early next year.

The Sunday Telegraph said Col al-Dabbagh was the former head of an Iraqi air defence unit in the country's western desert. It reported that he had spied for the Iraqi National Accord, a London-based exile group, and provided reports to British intelligence from early 2002 on Saddam's plans to deploy weapons of mass destruction.

Col Al-Dabbagh said cases containing weapons of mass destruction warheads were delivered to front-line units, including his own, in late 2002, the paper reported. He didn't know whether the warheads were chemical or biological but said they were designed to be launched by hand-held rocket-propelled grenades.

The government's September dossier said "Iraq's military forces are able to use chemical and biological weapons, with command, control and logistical arrangements in place. The Iraqi military are able to deploy these weapons within 45 minutes of a decision to do so."

The head of the MI6 spy agency, Sir Richard Dearlove, told the inquiry into Kelly's death that the 45-minute warning in the dossier came from an "established and reliable source," quoting a senior Iraqi military officer who was in a position to know this information.

The Sunday Telegraph said al-Dabbagh believed he was the source for that claim.

"I am the one responsible for providing this information," he was quoted as saying. "It is 100 per cent accurate.

"Forget 45 minutes, we could have fired these within half an hour," Col al-Dabbagh added. He said the weapons were not used because most of the Iraqi army did not want to fight for Saddam.

The newspaper said Col al-Dabbagh works as an adviser to the Iraqi Governing Council, and added that he has received death threats from Saddam loyalists.

It reported that Iyad Allawi, the head of the Iraqi National Accord and a prominent council member, confirmed he had passed information from Col al-Dabbagh on Saddam's weapons to British and American intelligence officials in the spring and summer of 2002.

The Associated Press

1 posted on 12/06/2003 6:35:17 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon; kdf1; AMERIKA; Lancey Howard; MudPuppy; SMEDLEYBUTLER; opbuzz; Snow Bunny; ...
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2 posted on 12/06/2003 6:38:58 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon
So like where did they go......burried in that dessert?
4 posted on 12/06/2003 6:41:14 PM PST by vavavah
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To: RaceBannon
The truth is starting to trickle out now. Good!
5 posted on 12/06/2003 6:41:20 PM PST by arasina (I can't believe I said that.)
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To: vavavah
SYRIA!
6 posted on 12/06/2003 6:49:08 PM PST by Reborn
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To: Reborn
Sounds about right..Doesnt sound like they were all that hard to conceal.... especially if they were launchable from a hand held......
7 posted on 12/06/2003 6:51:48 PM PST by vavavah
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To: RaceBannon
It reported that Iyad Allawi, the head of the Iraqi National Accord and a prominent council member, confirmed he had passed information from Col al-Dabbagh on Saddam's weapons to British and American intelligence officials in the spring and summer of 2002.

Bada Boom!

8 posted on 12/06/2003 6:52:53 PM PST by JoeSixPack1 (POW/MIA Bring 'em Home, Or Send us Back!! Semper Fi)
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To: RaceBannon
cases containing weapons of mass destruction warheads were delivered to front-line units

Ok, where are they??!!

9 posted on 12/06/2003 7:00:42 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: RaceBannon
Thanks for the ping.
This one should have bells and whistles. Or at least a siren.
10 posted on 12/06/2003 7:05:56 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: RaceBannon
Perhaps this needs to be forwarded to the "Naive Nine" as we as Hitlery...........
11 posted on 12/06/2003 7:07:37 PM PST by Howie66 (Lead, follow or git the hell out of the way!)
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To: RaceBannon
I was watching NBC News tonight and there was an Iraqi in shadow who said Saddam had given the orders to use the WoD. When they knew they were going to lose the war they defied Saddam and just burried them out in the desert.

He said as soon as they know Saddam is dead there will be those who will tell where they are.

12 posted on 12/06/2003 7:15:27 PM PST by Spunky (This little tag just keeps following me where ever I go.)
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To: Spunky
Burry them even 20 feet deep and they could never be found unless those who burried them told where to dig.

Iraq is larger than California. Seems a lot of felons in California have never been found. Not even Nicoles murder.
13 posted on 12/06/2003 7:21:30 PM PST by ImphClinton
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To: Reborn
BINGO!! See Harold Coyle's latest novel, More Than Courage. It invoves SOF searching Syria for WND moved there from Iraq. Book was written and published six months prior to invasion of Iraq. Coyle maintains real connections to DoD, and I beieve was working on much more than supposition.
14 posted on 12/06/2003 7:32:16 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: Spunky
I saw the same NBC on air report. What I find utterly amazing is that CNN, FoxNews, even Drudge have not mentioned a word about this!

Pehaps Fox is simply too busy 24/7 detailing for its viewers [I'm becoming less and less of one] every insipid second about that perv Michael Jackson to bother covering a blockbuster of a story supporting Bush's claims about Iraqi WMDs, while Drudge sees fit to headline an idiotic story about women lopping off their toes for the sake of vanity.

I simply cannot understand why this story seems to be spiked by every news service except The Telegraph, NBC and AP!

15 posted on 12/06/2003 7:32:43 PM PST by auzerais (Stop C*ANSWER from Infecting America's Foreign Policy!)
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To: Reborn
"SYRIA!"

U.S. deploys 20,000 troops near Syrian border

WORLD TRIBUNE.COM ^ | Wednesday, November 19, 2003

The United States has deployed 20,000 troops along the Syrian border after Syria failed to stop militants from crossing into Iraq.

As late as October, U.S. officials said hundreds of Islamic insurgents were crossing into Iraqi from Syria. They said Syrian authorities had failed to respond to U.S. appeals to stop the flow of insurgents.

U.S. military officials said the U.S. troop presence was bolstered beginning in September and has resulted in a significant drop in infiltration from Syria. The U.S. troops are based in the Iraqi province of Anbar, Middle East Newsline reported.

Maj. Gen. Charles Swannack, commander of the 82nd Airborne Division, said the military completed a 200 percent increase in U.S. troops at Anbar. Swannack told a briefing in Baghdad on Tuesday that the increased deployment was also meant to stop infiltration from other Iraqi neighbors, such as Jordan and Saudi Arabia. But the U.S. presence has not halted the flow of insurgents from Syria. On Monday, the U.S. military said six suspected insurgents were captured near the Syrian border. One of them was later killed when he tried to attack a guard.

Swannack said the U.S. troop presence in Anbar has resulted in reducing the flow of insurgents from Syria. He said Islamic insurgents have launched attacks against the U.S. force near the 500-kilometer Syrian border. But he called the attacks ineffective.

"We are not fighting foreign fighters coming across the border in significant numbers," Swannack said. "We are fighting mostly former regime locals

16 posted on 12/06/2003 7:37:07 PM PST by Davea
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To: RaceBannon
What if Lt Col al-Dabbagh is a liar?
17 posted on 12/06/2003 8:02:02 PM PST by Sir Charles
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To: Sir Charles
What if Lt Col al-Dabbagh is a liar?

That is possible. And there are a number of alternative scenarios.
E.g., he might have been fed info by Saddam's intelligence apparatus...in hopes that
Dabbagh would (unknowingly) pass on the info and deter the US/UK/Coalition from attacking.

But in his appearance (in a studio darkened so you couldn't see his face) on
NBC Evening News (Sat. 12-6-03), it was said he passed on this info over a couple of years.
And the details would fit in with Clinton Admin. arms expert Kenneth Pollack's scenario
of Saddam using reconfigurable pharmaceutical plants for "just in time" synthesis of
unstable chem/bio WMDs, which would rapidly be deployed to battle areas.

This situation is still an open question.
Sometime in the past couple of weeks I heard one report that Saddam's experts
in nuclear and the chem/bio WMD programs lied to Saddam and his buddies, while
feigning to make progress.

Talk about an inscrutable maze of Eastern intrigue.

My amateur guess is that we'll find that Saddam wanted to make the world think he was
still a dangerous guy, to keep the UN, Iran and the rest of the world too scared to
screw with him (but he miscalculated about Dubya after 9-11)
OR
Saddam had a chem/bio WMD program that was small but might have grown really nasty
if we'd not attacked.
18 posted on 12/06/2003 8:21:01 PM PST by VOA
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To: Spunky
He said as soon as they know Saddam is dead there will be those who will tell where they are.

Seems to be the most likely scenario.

19 posted on 12/06/2003 8:33:50 PM PST by quesera (Scr*w the RATS, the U.N., and the French!)
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To: RaceBannon
Col Al-Dabbagh said cases containing weapons of mass destruction warheads were delivered to front-line units, including his own, in late 2002, the paper reported. He didn't know whether the warheads were chemical or biological but said they were designed to be launched by hand-held rocket-propelled grenades.

This really smells. A WMD "warhead" on an RPG??? What's the range on an RPG, 500 meters? Seems as useful as a nuclear hand grenade! Plus, Saddam would have given at least some of these weapons to the Fedayeen and they certainly wouldn't hesitate to use them.

I'm beginning to think that Saddam really didn't have WMDs. He definitely didn't have any complete weapons or they would have been used, either in the war or by the guerrillas. I also wonder about the claims that Saddam sent his WMDs to Syria. Why would he do that? So they wouldn't be found? So what, he knew we would take him out regardless. Now, after all this time, the only thing that makes sense to me is that Saddam did not have any usable WMDs.

20 posted on 12/06/2003 9:07:23 PM PST by mikegi
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