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NASA Relies On Thrusters To Steer Space Station After Malfunction
AP via CNN ^ | December 6, 2003 | AP

Posted on 12/06/2003 9:14:26 AM PST by John W

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:03:32 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

CAPE CANAVERAL, Florida (AP) -- NASA is relying on Russian-made thrusters to steer the international space station following a new malfunction with the U.S. motion-control system, officials said Friday.

Flight controllers detected spikes in current and vibration in one of the station's three operating gyroscopes on November 8. Last week, when the gyroscopes were used again to shift the position of the orbiting outpost, all three worked.


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To: Physicist
Thanks. You have given me the satisfying illusion that I understand what you're saying. :-)
181 posted on 12/15/2003 7:58:32 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: XBob
I am watching women's figure skating on TV - wow - sex and beauty and music

Apparently, we have different ideas about what constitutes sex, beauty, and music :-)

182 posted on 12/15/2003 8:00:59 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: XBob
why/how do all the media and all the demonRATS keep claiming Bush2 faked weapons of mass destruction

They are trying to stop the wheel from rotating now that they are on the the side headed down into the muck.

183 posted on 12/15/2003 9:16:24 AM PST by RightWhale (Close your tag lines)
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To: Piltdown_Woman
BTW, I'm in a generous mood this Christmas season, how many vinyl repair kits do you need?

Priceless. Simply priceless.

;-)

184 posted on 12/15/2003 9:28:11 AM PST by longshadow
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To: XBob
...hopefully the science will lead to some real breakthroughs.

Yes indeed, XBob -- hopefully. A cure for diabetes would be especially wonderful.

You wrote: "PS - I spent enough time in the Orient to know that obscure (to us) Chinese medicine and herbal things do work, while remaining mysteries to Western Physicians." F.A. Popp has been looking into homeopathic medicine; other researchers also. I think it would be good to try to keep an open mind about such research, which basically boils down to finding ways to "correct the light" in our bodies (i.e., biophotons).

Here's an interesting story (From McTaggert's The Field):

"Popp wondered whether certain plant extracts could change the biophoton emissions of cancer cells, so that they would begin to communicate again with the rest of the body. He began experimenting with with a number of non-toxic substances purported to be successful in treating cancer. In all but one instance, the substances only increased the photons from tumor cells, making it even more deadly to the body. The single success story was mistletoe, which seemed to "resocialize" the photon emission of tumor cells back to normal. In one of numerous cases, Popp came across a woman in her thirties with breast and vaginal cancer. Popp tried mistletoe and other plant extracts on samples of her cancerous tissue and found that one particular mistletoe remedy created coherence in the tissue similar to that of the body. With the agreement of her doctor, the woman began forgoing any treatment other than this mistletoe extract. After a year, all her laboratory tests were virtually back to normal. A woman who was given up as a terminal cancer case had her proper light restored, just by taking an herb."

I know this sounds crazy. But hey, if something works, it works. I think we all need to keep an open mind.... Thanks for your kind words.

185 posted on 12/15/2003 9:43:45 AM PST by betty boop (God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world. -- Paul Dirac)
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To: betty boop
F.A. Popp has been looking into homeopathic medicine; other researchers also.

I'll bet he has. Homeopathy's been a wellspring for junk science.

I think it would be good to try to keep an open mind about such research, which basically boils down to finding ways to "correct the light" in our bodies (i.e., biophotons).

The really funny thing about this is that they're probably right about the fundamental observation. Undoubtedly many pathological states are accompanied by oxidative stress, and oxidative stress causes an increase in chemiluminescence. But then they make the childish inference that if sickness causes increases in light emissions, then the light must be the problem.

Anyone ever gone out on a really dark night with a piece of fairly 'mature' liver? (I admit, this is rather an unusual thing to do). By golly, that liver's just bursting with biophotons! Must be sick!

I think we all need to keep an open mind.

Cliché about brain falling out inserted.

186 posted on 12/15/2003 10:52:09 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
Anyone ever gone out on a really dark night with a piece of fairly 'mature' liver?

I have occasionally been known to go out at night and wind up with a fairly 'overtaxed' liver. Does that count? ;)

187 posted on 12/15/2003 10:57:47 AM PST by general_re (Knife goes in, guts come out! That's what Osaka Food Concern is all about!)
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To: Right Wing Professor
RWP, sneer away if you wish. One of these days -- and probably before too long -- we're really going to find out whether there's anything to this or not. Based on the available evidence right now, it appears the answer will be in the affirmative.

As they say, "time is the mother of truth." Neither your "opinion" nor mine matters in the least. Stay tuned.

188 posted on 12/15/2003 10:59:26 AM PST by betty boop (God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world. -- Paul Dirac)
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To: betty boop
RWP, sneer away if you wish.

Thanks. I intend to do so.

One of these days -- and probably before too long -- we're really going to find out whether there's anything to this or not. Based on the available evidence right now, it appears the answer will be in the affirmative.

Dream on. Look, betty, you've basically unloaded the entire arsenal of junk science here; biophotonics, homeopathy, naturopathic remedies. There's a very good reason that the scientific and medical establishments sneer at this sort of thing; when it's subjected to careful scrutiny, it turns out to be junk.

Homeopathy violates the three-hundred year old principle that chemical compounds are composed of discrete numbers of molecules. But more importantly, it can never be reproduced in trials conducted with due diligence towards bias and fraud. Read this and this.

What shocks me is that I'm reading this stuff on a conservative website. I've hitherto associated it only with new-agers.

189 posted on 12/15/2003 11:15:31 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
What shocks me is that I'm reading this stuff on a conservative website. I've hitherto associated it only with new-agers....

We get our share of new-agers. I recall someone (was it JaneS or something like that) who announced that no one had to grow old or die of old age. Turned out her hubbie was pushing hormone therapy. I'll believe in that stuff just as soon as hollywood stars stop looking like hell at age 40. It used to be that experimental medicine relied on third world countries for volunteers. Now the rich test every new and unproven medical miracle. If one of them works, we'll hear about it.

190 posted on 12/15/2003 11:22:29 AM PST by js1138
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To: Physicist
I guess you could be orthogonally righteous, but not obtuse, he said acutely.
191 posted on 12/15/2003 11:34:41 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: general_re
I have occasionally been known to go out at night and wind up with a fairly 'overtaxed' liver.

They're taxing livers now? Or just the booze that you put into them? :-)

192 posted on 12/15/2003 11:35:51 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
182 - Oh, I just had to respond to this one first, out of sequence:

182 - "I am watching women's figure skating on TV - wow - sex and beauty and music
Apparently, we have different ideas about what constitutes sex, beauty, and music :-)"

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My comment - I certainly hope so.

Firstoff I like WOMEN...

I think their figures and bare legs are beautiful, and love classical music.

193 posted on 12/15/2003 11:37:39 AM PST by XBob
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To: betty boop
BB, you may have seen this website: NATURALISM IS AN ESSENTIAL PART OF SCIENCE AND CRITICAL INQUIRY. It's chuck-full of good discussion about naturalism, science, etc. But you may find yourself on the other side of the author's worldview. Nevertheless, I gather that it's one of your favorite topics, so it may be of interest. A sample:
Supernaturalists identify--misidentify, I believe--the immaterial world of the human mind, which obviously exists and is part of nature, with the transcendental world of their supernatural beliefs. This practice is so pervasive that I must briefly discuss it here. Let us name and classify the three philosophical worlds and their elements: First, the material or physical world of nature that includes matter and energy; second, the immaterial world of nature that includes mind, ideas, values, imagination, logical relationships, etc.; and third, the transcendental world of supernature that includes gods, spirits, souls, etc. Belief in the first two worlds with denial of the independence of the second constitutes materialism, belief in worlds one and two without necessary denial of the independence of the second constitutes naturalism, while belief in all three worlds constitutes supernaturalism. While the identification of brain with conscious mind is relatively easy, supernaturalists invoke this third world and identify--misidentify, in my analysis--conscious mind with soul. Similarly, naturalists identify brain with imagination and emotion, but supernaturalists misidentify imagination and emotion as transcendence. Similarly, brain is self is misidentified as spirit; brain is dreams (or psychosis) is misidentified as revelation; brain is imagined all-loving, all-powerful authority figure is misidentified as a deity; unexplained natural phenomena are mysteries misidentified as miracles; wrongful acts are immoral acts are misidentified as sins, and so forth. In short, supernaturalists are exploiting the uncertainty and ignorance of science regarding the second world of immaterial elements to create and justify their belief in a third world of supernature. Supernaturalists would object to this analysis, I am sure, but it explains to me why they continue to harbor their beliefs despite centuries of being unable to demonstrate even the slightest bit of empirical evidence or formulating a single unrefuted valid reason. They think they have evidence and valid reasons, to be sure, but I think they are misinterpreting elements of a perfectly natural but non-material second world to sustain their mistaken belief in a supernatural third world.

194 posted on 12/15/2003 11:39:58 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Hic amor, haec patria est.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
191 - "but not obtuse, he said acutely."

very good - 'acutely obtuse'. LOL
195 posted on 12/15/2003 11:44:16 AM PST by XBob
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To: XBob
Firstoff I like WOMEN..

There's no need to yell. We believe you.

196 posted on 12/15/2003 11:46:06 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
Chicken or beef?
197 posted on 12/15/2003 11:48:45 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Right Wing Professor
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1040826/posts
198 posted on 12/15/2003 11:51:24 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Things are getting pretty "deep_in" here, if you get my drift.
199 posted on 12/15/2003 12:02:37 PM PST by js1138
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To: Right Wing Professor
They're taxing livers now? Or just the booze that you put into them? :-)

I tax my own, other people tax theirs :^)

200 posted on 12/15/2003 12:21:40 PM PST by general_re (Knife goes in, guts come out! That's what Osaka Food Concern is all about!)
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