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In the meantime, K.M. hopes for the best but is prepared for the worst.

Abortion? Too late for that...

1 posted on 12/06/2003 1:37:52 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather
This is just the tip of the gay-marriage iceberg. These kinds of cases will become nauseatingly regular, IMO.
2 posted on 12/06/2003 1:46:48 AM PST by clee1 (Where's the beef???)
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To: Libloather
Can't we all just get along?

Of course, NOBODY saw this one coming. Essentially, we have children who find the most important people in their lives, scrapping like two strange cats over turf that few outsiders would understand. It is not clear that the participants understand the issues, or have even defined them. What attracted these two people to each other in the first place, and could they get it back? Even if they cannot, civility should not be that hard to adopt as a means of dialogue.

Unstable children grow up to be unstable adults. Break the cycle. Provide the children with stability, even if it is unattainable in your own existence.
3 posted on 12/06/2003 1:48:26 AM PST by alloysteel
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5 posted on 12/06/2003 2:01:08 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Libloather
Some one explain to me why the egg donor is any more the parent then the sperm donor was? Where's Daddy? What if he decides to exercise his "rights"?
6 posted on 12/06/2003 2:48:02 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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Estranged lesbians....

Somehow, that phrase seems redundant.

8 posted on 12/06/2003 3:26:25 AM PST by tbpiper
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"Marin County."

Nuke Marin County!
9 posted on 12/06/2003 4:20:11 AM PST by jocon307 (The Dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: Libloather
"Myths. They are lies, carefully designed to reinforce a particular philosophy or morality within a culture. They are instruments of manipulation and control." George Grant "Grand Illusions: The Legacy of Planned Parenthood"
12 posted on 12/06/2003 5:18:29 AM PST by TrueBeliever9
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To: Libloather
I find it odd that the court seems to be restricting its argu8ments to PARENTAL rights.

Do the children not have some rights as well? Perhaps, the right to have as normal and as chaos-and-drama free an upbringing as possible? In other words, one that their houseplaying egg-donor and incubation-chamber (I refuse to call either selfish idiot a "mother") went out of their way to destroy the possibility of?

These cases make me sick. The so-called "parents" bring these children into the world, and have to know, on some level, that those kids will have an absolutely messed-up, crazed life which will manifest itself in their teen years, possibly to extreme mental problems. Yet, they continue on, oblivious to all but their own wants.

13 posted on 12/06/2003 5:28:23 AM PST by Long Cut (Whiskey...oil for life's frictions)
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During the trial in Marin Superior Court, the birth mother testified: "I told her that I would not be willing to consider an adoption until five years after the children were born because I didn't know her well enough. The relationship was too young. I didn't want to be in a custody battle."

I don't care if they are homosexual or heterosexual - if that's the way they feel, they should NOT be having children together, for the sake of the children.

15 posted on 12/06/2003 6:10:58 AM PST by Amelia ("We have met the enemy and he is us." -- Pogo)
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I told her that I would not be willing to consider an adoption until five years after the children were born because I didn't know her well enough. The relationship was too young

Uhhhhh........

16 posted on 12/06/2003 6:12:40 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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There is case law on this in, I believe Wisconsin and New Jersey. The focus is on the children. The bio mother is a psychological parent. Anyone interested in the issues can do a search on that term. The article doesn't even mention it and the bio mother's lawyers seem to rely on the biological connection. I doubt whether that will fly because that would open up any child who is conceived through sperm or egg donation to having several parents and in this case, would open up the possibility of the sperm donor (we know there was one. :-/) to also claiming parental rights. A psychological parent is one who makes a home with the legal parent, has significant connections with the child, helps support them financially, etc. This woman fits all of the standards set. I know that it makes social conservatives go balistic. The fact is though, that there are lots of these "families" out there. This is not about gay rights. It's about the rights of the two girls to have a continuing relationship with the two people with whom they bonded for the first eight years of their life. It will be interesting to see whom the "legal mom" brings in to write her friend of the court briefs.
19 posted on 12/06/2003 10:03:05 AM PST by Mercat
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When the two mothers re-marry, the twins will have custody divided between their mother and their step-mother and their other mother and their other step-mother.
20 posted on 12/06/2003 10:07:12 AM PST by pax_et_bonum
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