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Failure of Command [troops re. LTC West, "Why are they prosecuting this man?"]
National Review ^ | Dec. 4, 2003 | Jed Babbin

Posted on 12/04/2003 3:33:23 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl


Failure of Command
The case of Lt. Col. Allen B. West.

Last October, one American soldier — a young trooper untrained in handling prisoners — was told to guard an Iraqi prisoner. In a small area confined only by a strand of wire, the soldier was told to watch the man, and to shoot him if he tried to get away. The soldier daydreamed, as young men tend to do, more than most; an instant later the daydream was over, the prisoner was near the wire, and the soldier did as he was ordered. He shot the man dead.

That soldier, a member of the Fourth Infantry Division, hadn't been trained in interrogation or other aspects of prisoner management. Instead of facing court martial for the killing, the soldier was thrown out of the army when the JAG lawyer made a deal.

A few months before that incident, around August 8, another member of the Fourth I.D. — an artillery officer and a veteran of the 1991 Gulf War — was assigned as a civil military-affairs officer in a hot zone in the Sunni Triangle. His job placed him in daily contact with local leaders, and his responsibility was to help them help the army, to run local elections, and stamp out the insurgents. The officer was told by the intel people that they had solid information, from three sources, about a plot to assassinate him. He wasn't very concerned, his attention focused on a scheduled local election only a few weeks away. His boss told him to stay off the streets for a few days, and he did. Readying to go back out on patrol on August 16, the lieutenant colonel was stopped at the gate by some locals who wanted to talk to him. The patrol went on without him, and was ambushed. No Americans were hurt, but the officer was convinced of the plot.

Between August 16 and 20, intelligence identified an Iraqi policeman who was allegedly involved in the assassination plot, and the man was arrested on Aug. 20. According to the officer's defense attorney, this is what happened.

Lt. Col. Allen B. West was told the policeman was uncooperative, so he took a few of his men to the interrogation area to see for himself, where he found the prisoner being questioned by two female officers. They told him the man was belligerent, and wasn't giving them any information. (Surprise, surprise. The idiocy of having women question male Arab prisoners is apparent to everyone except the army commanders.) West entered the room, sat across from the man, drew his pistol, and placed it in his lap. West told him he had come to either get information, or to kill him. The prisoner responded by smiling and saying, "I love you." The interrogation continued, and one of West's troops lost his temper and started slapping the man. West then had his men take the prisoner outside, where he again threatened the man, telling him that he would kill him on the count of five if he didn't tell what he knew. The prisoner refused, and West fired his pistol into the air.

The interrogation continued, but not the beating. After about 20 more minutes of useless questioning, West grabbed the man, held him down near a box full of sand used to discharge jammed weapons, and said something like, "This is it. I'm going to count to five again, and if you don't give me what I want, I'm going to kill you." West held the man down, counted to five, and then fired his pistol into the discharging box about a foot from the Iraqi's head. He began talking. Over the next few minutes, the prisoner gave very specific information about the plot. He named the conspirators, gave times and dates of the assassination plan, and even described how attacks would be made.

West and his men went back to their base camp. The lieutenant colonel immediately went to his boss, woke him up, and told him what he had done, and about the information he'd gotten from the Iraqi. West didn't say anything about what his troops had done. The boss — Col. Kevin Stramara — responded only by saying something like, "Alan, we need to take the high road." Leaving Stramara, West went to the medics' area, and ordered one of the doctors to examine and treat the prisoner. The doctor found the man bruised and scared, but not injured in any significant way. The next day, West briefed his own staff about the incident, and told them he took full responsibility. And that, West thought, was that. Apparently so did Stramara, who never even reported the incident.

The local election was postponed, the ambushes were avoided, and all was quiet until a disgruntled sergeant wrote a long, rambling letter to the commanding general of the Fourth I.D., Gen. Ray Odierno. The letter complains about harassment by Stramara, inconsistent uniform discipline, disrespect of officers by enlisted men, and mentions the West incident only in passing. The lawyers ended up with the letter, and that's where the PC Police took over.

According to a source close to the case, the staff judge advocate — the head lawyer of the division — at first didn't believe what the letter said about West, because she thought the incident would have been reported by Stramara, and it hadn't been. In the investigation that followed, two junior officers drafted a report. That report is tainted: It didn't go directly to the JAG or the commanding general, but went instead to Stramara, who made changes to it and then got the two junior officers to sign it.

Suddenly, on October 4, West was relieved of his command. On October 18th, two weeks to the day before he would become vested in his army retirement program, West was told he either had to resign or face court martial. Not wanting to lose his pension, West refused. His offer to resign after his benefits kicked in was rejected. An Article 32 hearing — the military equivalent of a grand jury — heard the charges against West in November. The results of that hearing are due any day, and may recommend felony charges against West.

What Allen West did was wrong. But there is nothing he did that warrants a court martial or a felony conviction: It's clear that the lawyers and the careerists in the Army have decided to make an example of him. But an example of what? After tossing out a soldier who killed a prisoner, how does it help to court martial another who intimidated a prisoner without injuring him, and actually got information that may have saved American lives?

No army can fight and win if the officers don't have the trust of their troops. Col. Kevin Stramara, West's boss — who didn't ever see sufficient import in what West told him the night of the incident to report it — testified at the Article 32 hearing. With about a dozen of his troops listening, Stramara was asked, "If you had to choose between following the rules and saving American lives, which would you choose?" His answer: "I don't know. I'd have to have some more details." While Stramara looks for those details, his men know their lives may be lost. His instinct is to cover his butt, not to save his troops. Of course the ends don't justify the means, but to crucify Allen West and leave Stramara in command will damage whatever trust the troops of the Fourth I.D. have for their commanders. Ask yourself: Would you like your 19-year-old son serving on a battlefield under this man? Or under the generals who trust his judgment more than Allen West's?

As West awaits the Article 32 results, there is a growing problem of clouded standards. It's no use to simply tell the troops that you have to follow the Geneva Conventions. They are, by necessity, in broad terms. Torture and abuse are outlawed. But does slapping a man or frightening him by discharging a pistol near him violate the Conventions? Hardly. Of the many e-mails I've received about this case — mostly from Marines — the question raised is almost always, "Why are they prosecuting this man?" Why, indeed.

It would be a great mistake to believe that the army's action on this case will be unimportant. The troops are following it closely, and the decision on whether West is court martialed will reverberate throughout the force. The community of warriors is both close and tight, and very well informed. They talk about these things, and take them to heart. I described the facts of the West case to a couple of the active-duty warriors I know, and their reaction was the same. They told me that court martialing West will damage the trust the troops place in their commanders. One went so far as to say, "They'll wonder what the hell Odierno is smoking."

We must keep faith with the troops by holding them to clear standards, and punishing those who violate them with judgment and consistency. Allen West is neither a hero nor a war criminal. Reprimand and retire him, and then rid the command of those who really made this mess: those who are more concerned with their image than with the loyalty they must show to their troops.

— NRO Contributor Jed Babbin was a deputy undersecretary of defense in the first Bush administration, and is now an MSNBC military analyst.



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1 posted on 12/04/2003 3:33:26 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; Calpernia
Ping Calpernia!!!

Thanks for posting this Ragtime Cowgirl!!!
2 posted on 12/04/2003 3:34:01 PM PST by MoJo2001 (God Bless Our Troops and Allies!!)
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To: Calpernia; Jeff Head; archy; MJY1288; Grampa Dave; anniegetyourgun; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...
The troops are following it closely, and the decision on whether West is court martialed will reverberate throughout the force. The community of warriors is both close and tight, and very well informed. They talk about these things, and take them to heart. I described the facts of the West case to a couple of the active-duty warriors I know, and their reaction was the same. They told me that court martialing West will damage the trust the troops place in their commanders. One went so far as to say, "They'll wonder what the hell Odierno is smoking."
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For LTC West.

3 posted on 12/04/2003 3:39:00 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ( "Our military is full of the finest people on the face of the earth." ~ Pres. Bush, Baghdad)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Is Stramara an American soldier?
4 posted on 12/04/2003 3:44:13 PM PST by henderson field
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Of course the ends don't justify the means, but to crucify Allen West and leave Stramara in command will damage whatever trust the troops of the Fourth I.D. have for their commanders. Ask yourself: Would you like your 19-year-old son serving on a battlefield under this man? Or under the generals who trust his judgment more than Allen West's?

I'd hate to say that the end justifies the means, because it doesn't always...but Lt. Col. West's first priority was to his men, and the Iraqis surely don't follow the rules.

5 posted on 12/04/2003 3:48:33 PM PST by Amelia ("We have met the enemy and he is us." -- Pogo)
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To: MoJo2001
Done, MoJo2001. Thank you. (^:

And a big "thank you!" to un-PC Jed Babbin.

6 posted on 12/04/2003 3:51:09 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ( "Our military is full of the finest people on the face of the earth." ~ Pres. Bush, Baghdad)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
West is court martialed will reverberate throughout the force. The community of warriors is both close and tight, and very well informed. They talk about these things, and take them to heart. I described the facts of the West case to a couple of the active-duty warriors I know, and their reaction was the same. They told me that court martialing West will damage the trust the troops place in their commanders. One went so far as to say, "They'll wonder what the hell Odierno is smoking."

If this goes to court martial, I predict West will not be convicted.

7 posted on 12/04/2003 3:52:47 PM PST by demlosers
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To: henderson field
Is Stramara an American soldier?
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''West held the man down, counted to five, and then fired his pistol into the discharging box about a foot from the Iraqi's head. He began talking. Over the next few minutes, the prisoner gave very specific information about the plot. He named the conspirators, gave times and dates of the assassination plan, and even described how attacks would be made.''

''West and his men went back to their base camp. The lieutenant colonel immediately went to his boss, woke him up, and told him what he had done, and about the information he'd gotten from the Iraqi. West didn't say anything about what his troops had done. The boss — Col. Kevin Stramara — responded only by saying something like, "Alan, we need to take the high road."

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Col. Kevin Stramara is LTC West's boss / commanding officer.

8 posted on 12/04/2003 3:56:32 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ( "Our military is full of the finest people on the face of the earth." ~ Pres. Bush, Baghdad)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I had read about LTC West, but seeing that Stramara was his spineless commander made me shudder for fear of the condition of the 4th DivArty. Stramara's batallion command was a joke and when we relieved his batallion in Kosovo we had to revamp all the systems because he had screwed them up so much. But he was a great butt kisser and therefore moved on up.
9 posted on 12/04/2003 3:58:31 PM PST by coug97
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To: coug97; Ragtime Cowgirl; Grampa Dave; BOBTHENAILER
I had read about LTC West, but seeing that Stramara was his spineless commander made me shudder for fear of the condition of the 4th DivArty. Stramara's batallion command was a joke and when we relieved his batallion in Kosovo we had to revamp all the systems because he had screwed them up so much. But he was a great butt kisser and therefore moved on up.

He should be moved out and West should move up!

10 posted on 12/04/2003 4:12:48 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Davis is now out of Arnoold's Office , Bout Time!!!!)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Thanks RC for the ping. Prayers go out for LTC West.
11 posted on 12/04/2003 4:25:25 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: coug97
My son and his unit has one of these a-holes over them. But this a-hole did not get the promotion that he bragged that he would get. He was passed over and so he takes his frustration out on everyone else.
12 posted on 12/04/2003 4:28:41 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; Calpernia
Lt Col West is a hero ~ Bump!
13 posted on 12/04/2003 4:33:18 PM PST by blackie
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To: demlosers
If this goes to court martial, I predict West will not be convicted.

If this goes to court martial, I'm writing in "Mickey Mouse" for president next November.

War on Terror, my ass.

14 posted on 12/04/2003 4:38:52 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE North strong and free.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"What Allen West did was wrong."

Really ???


Bush should simply order and end to this charade.

Correct me if I am wrong but under the rules of war this Iraqi was a spy and subject to summary execution without trial. If he was in fact working for the enemy and he was out of uniform or wearing a police uniform while working for a belligerent then he was technically a spy.

I do not believe the Geneva Convention or international law covers guerrilla type fighters not in uniform. Obviously the US has some policy to not execute soldiers not in uniform, but I do not think it is a war crime or even illegal.

I also believe the Geneva Convention does not protect combatants who hide among civilians or in any way use civilians as shields. I know it does not cover mercenaries.
I think there is a mistaken belief that any enemy fighter who is captured is automatically protected by the Geneva Convention.

I know it sounds harsh but people who engage in certain forms of combat or activity lose the right to humane treatment.

For example: If soldiers capture a POW camp and find out that just prior to their arrival the guards have massacred all the POWs, I think it is perfectly proper to execute all the guards.

I think the only reason to take terrorists (or their enablers) prisoner is to get information out of them by any means necessary. I think allowing a terrorist to live should be the reward for telling us what we want to know, if they do not they should be disposed of.



15 posted on 12/04/2003 5:05:22 PM PST by Jonah Johansen
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Okay. Now you all know. Now do something about it.

-archy-/-

16 posted on 12/04/2003 5:05:37 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Jonah Johansen
Correct me if I am wrong but under the rules of war this Iraqi was a spy and subject to summary execution without trial.

Considering that US law doesn't allow for any such thing, OK, I'll correct you.

17 posted on 12/04/2003 5:06:40 PM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: archy; Britton J Wingfield
The defense fund info was posted at Jeff Head's original thread.

Some of us forgot.

Thanks.


Perhaps you would like to contribute to his defense fund...

Allen West Defense Fund
c/o Angela West
6823 Coleman Dr.
Ft. Hood, TX 76544

186 posted on 11/06/2003 8:22:52 PM EST by gogeo

18 posted on 12/04/2003 5:31:39 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ( "Our military is full of the finest people on the face of the earth." ~ Pres. Bush, Baghdad)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I've read a lot about the West case. I don't think anyone is going to be able to convince me that he did anything wrong.
War is not some playground exercise where we can all just insist that everyone play nicely together.
19 posted on 12/04/2003 6:06:13 PM PST by speekinout
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump!
20 posted on 12/04/2003 7:10:16 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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