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To: nickcarraway
I'm sorry, but I just don't get it. I don't see how letting gays marry each other is so detrimental to the institution of marriage. I say live and let live. I don't give a crap who anybody marries. It's none of my business. I certainly do understand though why gays would want to marry, and it's not all about recognition of their lifestyle (which I personally find creepy). Mainly it's about money and protecting assets. It's about having the same protections that other couples who make the life long commitment to each enjoy. For instance, if two gays split up after being together for years, they have a really hard time getting equitable property division by the courts. Problems pop up in estate planning and other areas for gay couples that really can't be adequately addressed by contracts.

I'm totally opposed to a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage. I suggest what the rest of you do is just wait and see how this works out in the countries and states that allow it. Sooner or later you'll all see that the sky is not going to fall. This isn't going to effect normal families. It's not going to lead to our society turning into one giant Sodom and Gomorrah.

Man I just wish people would live and let live. I can't believe what busybodies so many supposed conservatives are. You guys are turning our nation into the worst kind of nanny state that micromanages every aspect of our lives.
16 posted on 12/03/2003 8:09:14 PM PST by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz
Some things are right and some things are wrong. Because murder is wrong, there are laws against it. Homosexuality is either right or wrong. If we pass a law recognizing it, then the government is saying it's "right".

Homosexuals make up only 2% of the population
Anf they have:
Much shorter life expectancies
Much higher incidence of substance abuse problems
Much high incidence of domestic abuse
Much higher incidence of child sexual abuse
Much higher incidence of mental illness.

I think homosexuality is merely a form of mental illness (and it used to be categorized as such). It's not so much a question of "Why do Conservatives think it's wrong? All of the above show why it's wrong. The real question is: Why would we want our government to declare it "right"?

17 posted on 12/03/2003 8:31:18 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (France delenda est)
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To: TKDietz
Man I just wish people would live and let live. I can't believe what busybodies so many supposed conservatives are. You guys are turning our nation into the worst kind of nanny state that micromanages every aspect of our lives

TKDietz, just wait and see, is not an option anymore. It's here NOW. . It's not going to lead to our society turning into one giant Sodom and Gomorrah.

Yes, my friend, it will.

18 posted on 12/03/2003 8:41:12 PM PST by Miss Maam (I'm at a loss...help me expound...)
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To: TKDietz
I can't believe what busybodies so many supposed conservatives are. You guys are turning our nation into the worst kind of nanny state that micromanages every aspect of our lives.

I can't believe the pinpoint vision your opinion evidences. The only reason conservatives are pushing for a Constitutional amendment protecting marriage is because the gay activists are trying to destroy marriage. Conservatives are not busybodies trying to poke their noses in other peoples' business. They're trying to prevent others from doing just that. You must not have read much about the gay activists' poking their noses into, for instance, classrooms here in California - since, I think, 2001. (Mandatory gay-positive sex-ed, courtesy of Planned Parenthood and others, paid for by MY and others' tax dollars).

Or the gay activists and their handmaidens in the legislature creating crazy laws that force businesses to hire cross dressers, for instance.

Or the gay activists trying to destroy the Boy Scouts? Is that the act of conservative busybodies? People trying to protect adolescent boys from homosexuals are being nosy busybodies? They're just trying to maintain the moral standards which have, up until now, been the accepted norm.

What about in England, Canada and other countries which now enjoy "hatespeech" laws - is that conservatives nannying what other people say, or is it the gay activists minding other peoples' business, what they can say and what they can't say?

Give me a break. Conservatives are not the ones trying to poke their noses into other peoples' business, it's the gay activists and their assistants who are poking noses and who knows what else into OUR business.

If homosexuals did what they do in the privacy of their own homes, I could give a flying big f. But they are intent on making their business MY business, and I resent that. They have no right to re-make the world into one that suits their strange sexual desires.

20 posted on 12/03/2003 8:57:01 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: TKDietz
Clearly, you have absolutely no moral compass! You must be a recent graduate (or current pupil) of the perverted public schools!
35 posted on 12/03/2003 10:24:45 PM PST by GregoryFul
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To: TKDietz
You are missing the entire point. The courts are assuming authority that they don't have. And if we let them get away with it, they are going to keep doing it, and to a greater degree. If you want gay marriage, don't trample the constitution to get it, okay. I find it disturbing you so casually dismiss the Constitution and the rule of law.

Don't come crying to me when a court somewhere decides that someone has a RIGHT to your private property.

45 posted on 12/03/2003 10:47:04 PM PST by nickcarraway (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: TKDietz
Look.

Gays CAN marry each other in every state of the union RIGHT NOW.

Just as long as one of the gays is a woman and the other one is a man. This is perfectly fair and does not discriminate.

It just recognizes that marriage is something with historlcal and biological significance that can't just be waived out of existence by a 7 or 9 people in black robes.

And, make no mistake, the court in Massachussetts did not order the expansion of marriage to include gays, it rediffined marriage out of existence.
48 posted on 12/04/2003 12:39:38 AM PST by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: TKDietz
For instance, if two gays split up after being together for years, they have a really hard time getting equitable property division by the courts.

This is far less of a problem than you are making it out to be. So modify the law of partnership to allow for social relations (which would not be limited to men and women whose sexual urges tend toward the perverse) as social partnerships subject to explicit agreements and equitable splits of property.

But let the law be clear: this is NOT marriage.

In truth, proponents of gay marriage are looking for a way to hijack the coercive power to government to force everyone to acknowledge their perverse relationships as co-equal with traditional marriage. That is also what fuels their drive to enact hate crime legislation.

88 posted on 12/06/2003 11:46:00 AM PST by Kevin Curry
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