Bush Signs Bill to Curb Wildfire Threat (Healthy Forests)

Yahoo News ^ | 12/3/03 | Robert Gehrke - AP

[NormsRevenge]

"This law will not prevent every fire but it is an important step forward," the president said. Decrying what he said has been a "misguided forest policy," Bush said that "a lot of people have been well intentioned. They saved the trees. But they lost the forest. We want to save the forest."

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[NormsRevenge]

Wed Dec 3,11:39 AM ET

U.S. President George W. Bush (news - web sites) appears to touch a small tree as he leaves the stage after signing the Healthy Forests Restoration Act during a ceremony at the Department of Agriculture in Washington December 3, 2003. The new legislation is intended to help prevent the devastating wildfires that have annually plagued the western states. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque REUTERS

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Thank You, Envirowackos, for all your misguided efforts in trying to keep the "home fires" burning.

Idiots!!!

[ysoitanly]

Please note that FEINSTEIN was quoted as 'urging' new legislation for protecting the forests AFTER a bill languished for a year and AFTER all the homes were burned. That's why when someone on this forum says 'write your senator/s', I don't bother. Boxer and Feinstein.

[NormsRevenge]

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President Bush (news - web sites) laughs during a ceremony at the Agriculture Department in Washington Wednesday, Dec. 3,2003, where he signed the Healthy Forest Restoration Act. From left are, Sen. Max Baucus (news, bio, voting record), D-Mont., Sen. Mike Crapo, D-Idaho, Rep. Richard Pombo (news, bio, voting record), R-Calif., Rep. Bob Goodlatte (news, bio, voting record), R-Va., Sen. Thad Cochran (news, bio, voting record), R-Miss., Interior Secretary Gale Norton and Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)

[T Lady]

What do you think makes more sense, saving thousands of human lives and homes, thus preventing the increase of insurance premiums, or allowing numerous dead and rotting trees to create a virtual tinder box?

...Pose this question to an Environut and see what kind of answer you get.

Thank goodness this bill was finally passed.

-Regards, T.

[.cnI redruM]

JFKjr is saddened, deeply saddened.

[farmfriend]

Rights, farms, environment ping.

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[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!

[RonF]

What do you think makes more sense, saving thousands of human lives and homes, thus preventing the increase of insurance premiums, or allowing numerous dead and rotting trees to create a virtual tinder box?

Since when are the timber companies going to clear away dead and rotting trees? They're going to cut down live standing trees and leave the unsalable crap sitting right where it is now.

[AuntB]

I believe you are wrong. The way the timber industry...including entire communities have been destroyed, they will take what they can get.

[The Westerner]

Thanks, farmfriend for the ping. Heard it announced on the radio. Radio quoted some anti-capitalist Marxist who said that loggers would make a profit! As if it isn't a win-win situation for the government not to pay to have the trees cut down???

[RonF]

Then why didn't a logging company apply to clean out the forested areas that were denuded by the pine bark beetle? Thousands of trees were left standing and dead because of the beetle infection. They burned quite fiercely when the fires came. Logging companies would have had little trouble getting a permit cleaning those out, as they were a well-known fire hazard and next to residential areas. But they didn't apply to cut them down, as their commercial potential was limited.

[RonF]

Well, it's a win for the logging companies to cut down trees and make a profit. Profit is no evil in and of itself, it's what keeps us all employed. But I don't think it's much of a win for the public for live old-growth trees to be cut down while dead trees and chapparal are left lying around to catch fire anyway.

[Cuttnhorse]

Senator Mike Crapo, Idaho, is a Republican, not a democrat.

[Cuttnhorse]

Then why didn't a logging company apply to clean out the forested areas that were denuded by the pine bark beetle?

LOL!! You are kidding of course. You obviously are clueless how the system works.

Any attempt by a logging company to "clean out" diseased trees would be met by an apeal from some local screwball enviro group. That is if the USFS would even consider a "clean out"...the USFS is incompetent and is now made up almost entirely of employees with degrees in recreation and ecology, biology and wilderness studies. They are the first line of resistance.

But lets for the sake of argument say the USFS agrees to allow a salvage timber sale...say a couple of hundred acres. When the sale is advertised, the first thing that happens is an appeal is filed...don't forget with NEPA the USFS would have to complete an Environmental Impact Study. This normally takes the FS at least two to three years to complete.

Sounds easy, just go in and "clean out" the old dead trees...by the time it happens, if ever, the entire forest is dead.

[sergeantdave]

The states should declare the federal socialist forests natural disaster areas. Start condemnation proceedings. Sell the land to private property owners. Then the fires will stop.

[rintense]

It was my understanding that it isn't necessarily dead trees, bark beetles, etc. that add fuel to a forest fire, but it is more the uncontrolled undergrowth of junk trees that grow under the forest canopy. Hell, those trees are only good for pulp and mulch. Of course, from the envirowacko POV, someone will profit! Unfortunately, they don't see that the people and the environment will BOTH win by forest thinning.

[RonF]

The information I have read is that 90% of such requests clear in 60 days. And any environmental group knows that removal of diseased trees is desirable to keep the disease from spreading.

[RonF]

Any biomass can contribute to a fire. The normal situation is that the percentage of dead and standing trees is low; a certain percentage die every year, eventually fall down, rot, etc. But in this particular case you had a insect infestation that ran through a forest area and created an abnormal situation.