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W'S FOES FLIP OUT
New York Post ^ | December 2, 2003 | John Podhoretz

Posted on 12/02/2003 12:11:07 AM PST by nickcarraway

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:17:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

IT might be best for President Bush's opponents to drop the subject of his Thanksgiving trip to Baghdad. The more they talk about it, the longer it will remain in the public eye - which will only benefit Bush. But some on the increasingly loony Left just can't help themselves, because their compulsion to rant and rave and spew conspiracy theories overwhelms any practical political common sense they may once have possessed. On the Web site Counterpunch, edited by the veteran leftist journalist Alexander Cockburn, a man named Wayne Madsen announced on Saturday in a piece called "Wag the Turkey" that the whole trip was a fraud because he had figured out the president actually landed in Baghdad at 5:30 a.m. on Thursday. "Our military men and women," Madsen complained, "were downing turkey, stuffing, cranberry sauce, pumpkin pie and non-alcoholic beer at a time when most people would be eating eggs, bacon, grits, home fries and toast."


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: democrats; hillaryclinton; iraq; media; podhoretz; presidentbush; thanksgivingvisit; theodoreolson; war
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To: nickcarraway
I have come to the conclusion that she got MUCH more publicity for her ill-received trip because of the President's wildly successful one.

Does anyone think people would have paid quite as much attention to her otherwise?
21 posted on 12/02/2003 4:16:53 AM PST by lorrainer (Professional driver. Closed course.)
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To: nickcarraway
The Bush haters are really going to "flip out" come November 2004.
22 posted on 12/02/2003 4:22:01 AM PST by corlorde (Without the home of the brave, there would be no land of the free)
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To: JohnHuang2
I STILL say the whole firefight with the 54 dead Iraqis was a phony setup, orchestrated by Rove and Wolfowitz (sarcasm off)
23 posted on 12/02/2003 4:26:33 AM PST by rudy45
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To: corlorde
The Bush haters are really going to "flip out" come November 2004.

Yes, when they fail to convince the moderate and independent voters than Bush sprouts horns and a barbed tail when they peel the makeup off. They are relying, or a$$uming an exact repeat of Vietnam. What they forget (and they of all people should be the last to forget this) is that with Vietnam, it took hundreds of casualties per week, plus various scandals, assasinations, and the fact that Nixon already was withdrawing ground troops before the majority of Americans agreed with Cronkite that 'the war is not winable' and supported a ceasefire and negotiations. Fat chance this time, Dumbocrats!

24 posted on 12/02/2003 4:33:41 AM PST by ARepublicanForAllReasons
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To: rudy45
Furthermore, the Washington Post is intentionally spreading false information, claiming it was vetted by the intelligence community:
How could Madsen have spun so demented a tale? Apparently, because of a typo in a Washington Post story on Friday.
25 posted on 12/02/2003 4:37:22 AM PST by ARepublicanForAllReasons (21st Century Demos -- grasping at straw men)
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To: JohnHuang2
Small wonder this guy's still in retirement.

You know, he really is the right one to lead us in this War on Terror. After all, he wore a REAL uniform and suffered REAL wounds. Plus, he is the ONLY one who's got hands-on practical experience with foreign policy and international security. His Clarkness Speaks

26 posted on 12/02/2003 4:45:56 AM PST by Carolina
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To: JohnHuang2
LOL! I really enjoyed reading your "Two Cents," John.

27 posted on 12/02/2003 4:56:56 AM PST by RottiBiz
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To: nickcarraway
A very entertaining article by Podhoretz. Thanks.
28 posted on 12/02/2003 4:58:20 AM PST by RottiBiz
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To: nickcarraway
BTTT
29 posted on 12/02/2003 5:11:49 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: corlorde
The Bush haters are really going to "flip out" come November 2004.

The proverbial nail in the coffin will be August's GOP convention in NYC. The Mumia/Village Voice/Michael Moore/nose-ring crowd are ALREADY plotting their massive hate carnival as we speak.

It will be a complete leftist/communist freak show, with all liberal soccer moms and dads far, far away; and the whole mess will be covered non-stop for the world by a slobbering media desperate for theater and drama.

The amount of votes this will gain for Bush will be incalculable.

30 posted on 12/02/2003 5:26:22 AM PST by Jhensy
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To: Fledermaus
We Clinton "haters" only pointed out his illegal activity and the abuse of power.

Not to mention perjury before a grand jury by the Chief US Law Enforcement Officer, subornation of perjury, obstruction of justice, and the use of thugs like Lenzner or Palladino for enforcement. In my mind, these actions that led to impeachment, possible removal from office, and a promised (but not consummated) congressional censure does not equate to inserting 16 words into a State of the Union speech that suggested Saddam had sought to buy yellowcake uranium on a particular occasion from Niger.

The intelligence may have been dubious, which is the nature of the beast, but Saddam had previously made such purchases from other African nations. Many of Democrat charges against Bush spring from this episode. Ironically, the sloppiest "intelligence" of all was performed by Joe Wilson as recounted in his NY Times op ed piece.

The often insightful John Podhoretz has had this problem before: He seems to need to construct some sort of moral equivalence. For instance, on July 23 this year he wrote that "Honest conservatives and Republicans will admit that they felt a certain disappointment that the economy did not cave in after Bill Clinton raised taxes in 1993."

I disputed this revisionist attempt at equivalence at the time since most of us with investments cheered the rising markets that followed (and put our money where are mouths were) to such an extent that the Fed chairman warned of "irrational exuberance" as the Dow pushed past 6,000 in December 1995. At the time, the rise was attributed (more properly in my view) to the public's perception that a Republican-controlled Congress would exercise greater fiscal restraint than did previous Democrat Congresses.

Unlike the anti-Bush crowd, the anti-Clinton folks have not resorted to factual fantasies to describe a president's behavior, in part because the liberal "mainstream" press would not have allowed them to get away with it. Podhoretz needs to take a deep breath and contemplate what he has asserted.

31 posted on 12/02/2003 5:55:25 AM PST by OESY
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To: JohnHuang2
If I were to wager, much of this intense animus is motivated by what I just call "queer politics". If I am to look at the local scene where I live, then those who are most preoccupied with GWB are those with a very strong gay and lesbian agenda which animates their politics.
32 posted on 12/02/2003 6:04:53 AM PST by Helms (Liberalism is a faux compassion that condescends at best and subjugates at worse)
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To: Fledermaus
I'd add that as Clinton haters, we were a much larger group maintaining a profile of about 33% of the population. The core Bush haters weem to range between 18 and 23%. Their range has always been soft at the edges. Our hate was ideologically based and not emotional. Thinking is always a much stabler form of reasoning than emoting.
33 posted on 12/02/2003 6:39:32 AM PST by Katya
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To: nickcarraway
How could Madsen have spun so demented a tale?

The question is, how could Madsen have spun so demented a tale, WITH IMPUNITY?

34 posted on 12/02/2003 6:41:14 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: Fledermaus
I disagree with the comparison of Bush haters to Clinton haters. We Clinton "haters" only pointed out his illegal activity and the abuse of power. He was impeached for goodness sakes.

There's definitely a different kind of hatred going on here. I hated Clinton. 'Still do, but it mainly is born of seeing that his liberalness was going to perpetuate victimhood, poverty, and political enslavement, in other words, I disagreed with his ideology.

Clinton's tenure only served to prove what I had believed, he never let me down, much less embarrass me or threaten the very essence of what I believed in. Hatred of Bush is more visceral for the very reason that the Left's most sacrosanct tenets have been exposed as not only wrong but dangerous in the extreme.

Almost everything that has happened in Bush's short tenure has been a very public repudiation of leftist dogma, their hatred then, is born of fear of extinction and therefore much more virulent than ours was.

Look for this hatred to increase.

35 posted on 12/02/2003 6:55:33 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: wayoverontheright
I bow to no man regarding hatred of Clinton policies and ideology. I have worked very hard not to translate this into hatred of the man (and the woman). And I mean I've had to REALLY work hard at that.

Slightly off-topic, but I'm sick to death of the story that he was impeached because of his private sex life.

He was impeached because he tried to infringe on the rights of a fellow American, seeking justice in a sexual harrassement suit, by lying under oath before a Federal Judge.

I personally don't care if he was screwing monkeys, although I would certainly have preferred it if he had not done so in the Oval Office.

36 posted on 12/02/2003 7:35:46 AM PST by TontoKowalski
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To: nickcarraway

37 posted on 12/02/2003 7:39:35 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy War bucks, has owned the Demonic Rats for decades!)
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To: TontoKowalski
He was impeached because he tried to infringe on the rights of a fellow American, seeking justice in a sexual harrassement suit, by lying under oath before a Federal Judge.

'Zackly.

38 posted on 12/02/2003 8:04:37 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: nickcarraway
Disgust and hate are not the same. I was disgusted with the clintons because of Waco, Chinagate, Whitewater, Paula Jones, Monica, Elian, Janet Reno, disgracing the WH...

The hatred of W is just their need for power and taking our rights from us. There are no concrete arguments from the left only accusation of lying and deceipt which cannot be verified. The lies of the clintons were verified over and over and over. To them politics is their reason for being, where we believe a smaller govt brings a better life.

Pray for W and the Truth

39 posted on 12/02/2003 8:22:20 AM PST by bray (The Wicked Witch of NY is Melting!)
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To: wayoverontheright
"...the Left's most sacrosanct tenets have been exposed as not only wrong but dangerous in the extreme...

"Well stated" BUMP!!!

40 posted on 12/02/2003 12:42:42 PM PST by Pagey (Hillary Rotten is a Smug and Holier- than- Thou Socialist)
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