[farmfriend]

I think to deny them is discrimination. But I am one of the few who voice this on this forum.

[cyborg]

You are not the only one. I could care less whether gay people get married. It doesn't affect me and my life. If a person doesn't like gay marriage then don't have one.

[billbears]

- The Tenth Amendment essentially gives states any right not expressed in the Constitution. Does this mean that it is up to each individual state to decide whether or not to allow gay marriages?

I have to disagree with you. The Constitution is quite explicit. Any right not covered in the Constitution is guaranteed to the states. The men who wrote the document were peers of the state legislators that passed sodomy laws. And the laws were not challenged for constitutionality. They were accepted as standard and good laws

[GovernmentShrinker]

Actually there are quite a few freepers who aren't on the "save marriage by having the government regulate it" bandwagon. Personally, I just want the government totally out of the marriage business -- straight, gay, polygamous, whatever -- it's none of the government's business.

[singletrack]

Thats a tough arguement without injecting religion into it. I'd try to just mess with thier minds and show thier own bias's. "If Rush Limbaugh wants to marry Bill ORielly , would you be against them adopting 3 or 4 kids? Seriously, would you?" This should be cause for pause or a flat out "No!" in response. Will these "unions" have to be between Liberal Democrats only? If Micheal Jackson is found innocent should he and Al Frankin finally tie the knot? These may not be much help in a real debate, but the "religious Right" has been portrayed so often as humourless sheep that the lefties are unprepared to be laughed at or confused. There is plenty of hatred and bias on the left to expose and exploit so don't forget to show them the mirror. You are basing your arguments on 2000 years of teaching and tradition. They invented this 3 yrs ago.Try...... "Would you be more willing to support a Democrat, against Gay marriage, who is a shoe-in for the office, or support a sure loser who is for it?"

[PeoplesRepublicOfWashington]

Only a moron can lose a debate on so-called homosexual marriage. By definition, marriage is a union between a man and a woman--it is strictly a heterosexual affair. One has to change the very definition of marriage to even begin to argue for homosexual marriage--a losing position right out of the gate. Don't let your opponents rape the English language and you can't lose.

[luckydevi]

you are not alone

[Sabertooth]

I think to deny them is discrimination.

So?

Is discrimination necessarily bad?

When we imprison criminals, we discriminate against non criminals. When he refrain from selling alcohol to minors, we discriminate between minors and adults.

The definition of discrimination has been misunderstood to mean "necessarily and arbitrarily unfair." This is because most of us first encountered the term in the context of racial discrimination. Racial discrimination is actually one of the very few forms of discrimination that is "necessarily and arbitrarily unfair."

To discriminate is simply to differentiate. To discern red from blue is to discriminate.

Having a law against same sex marriage is certainly discrimination. It's good discrimination.

Without good discrimination, how would we maintain laws against polygamous, polyandrous, incestual, pederastic, or bestial marriages?

Marriage is between a man and a woman. To say that a union between the same genders is "a marriage" is to say that marriage has no meaning. Once you've said that, how can you say that any union between any combinations of humans and animals isn't "a marriage?"

[sasafras]

If you think it is discrimination then tell me is it ok also to have sex with children? How about civil unions between animals and humans? And sense you dont see anything wrong with homosexual marriage how about polygamy? Is it an anything goes kind of nation for you or do you beilieve that our society should value decency (as determined by the majority of our citizens)? What is also surprising is that you claim to be a boyscout leader - I hope you are not imparting your anti-family values to these young boys.

My two cents - we as a society must enforce and establish laws which uphold moral and ethical values otherwise anarchy will prevail.

[CougarGA7]

I wouldn't categorize it as discrimination. But that's because I think homosexuality is a mental disease, no different from someone who has bipolar disorder or manic depression. The difference is, there are these people out there that have decided that it is a socially acceptible mental illness and therefore there is no research into medications that can help correct this chemical imbalance in the brain.

But that's just my opinion.