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To: Reactionary; sit-rep; JennysCool
Ian Goddard pretty much 'nails it' in his closing summary on this topic:
CONCLUSION

The Waco FLIR gunshot claim purports that federal agents machine gunned men, women, and children as they tried to escape the Waco fire.

In other words, the United States government is guilty of the systematic mass murder of its own citizens -- a crime against humanity.

However, as the facts above demonstrate, the alleged evidentiary basis for this most serious charge -- that the official report lists fifteen bodies shot to death near the rear exit -- is completely false.

And the flashes recorded on FLIR that are said to be the gunshots killing those allegedly trying to escape do not actually resemble real gunshots. Instead, the long durations of the flashes resemble thermal reflections.

Furthermore, the flashes appear on detectable pieces of reflective debris. The entire Waco FLIR gunshot/mass murder claim is a confabulated mirage built upon falsity and bad analysis.


Prior to the acquisition of empirical data about gun-muzzle flashes and thermal reflections on FLIR, and prior to detailed analyses of the contents of the Waco FLIR, it was a reasonable concern that the flashes might be gunshots directed at Mt Carmel.

However, the empirical data and analyses cited in this report leave no room for doubt that the Waco FLIR flashes are thermal reflections on debris, not gunshots.

Yet the gunshot claim continues to proliferate due to a concerted effort to sell videos on the topic.

Unfortunately the technical nature of the subject leaves most at a loss to see the Waco FLIR gunshot claim for the hallucination that it is. Hopefully this report will serve as a beacon of reason in a sea of misinformation.

Repeating:
The entire Waco FLIR gunshot/mass murder claim is a confabulated mirage built upon falsity and bad analysis.

...

Hopefully this report will serve as a beacon of reason in a sea of misinformation.

Class dismissed.
132 posted on 11/30/2003 6:42:26 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: _Jim
Yet the gunshot claim continues to proliferate due to a concerted effort to sell videos on the topic.

Well, and also due to what anyone whose ever fired an automatic weapon can plainly see by looking at the film--reflections can't produce even timing like that. This so-called analysis is bought and paid for from a defense contractor, and it depends on a bullshit recreation put on by the accused's interested parties. This would not stand up in an honestly run courtroom, any more than a murderer's computer recreation of a murder would.

Like the flim-flam we just went through regarding tanks penetrating the building, this is expensive camoflage the feds have paid through the nose for to make everyone think they didn't see what they obviously saw.

135 posted on 11/30/2003 6:58:49 PM PST by donh
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To: _Jim
Prior to the acquisition of empirical data about gun-muzzle flashes and thermal reflections on FLIR, and prior to detailed analyses of the contents of the Waco FLIR, it was a reasonable concern that the flashes might be gunshots directed at Mt Carmel.

Right. Because a bunch of reflecting surfaces randomly scattered on the ground JUST HAPPENED to produce what looked like sustained automatic rifle fire from behind tank cover, that moved with the tank. Gee. What an incredible co-incidence. Since you are so eager for my opinion, I think EITHER the feds produced this tape after the fact, containing this HIGHLY unlikely co-incidence, or it is NOT a HIGHLY unlikely coincidence--it is gunfire.

Take your pick. If it was concocted, it was obviously so they could refute it with great fanfare to, once again, provide another distraction from their basic problem here: that they ventilated a building and filled it with flammable gas when they knew a fire was about to happen--FOR WHATEVER REASON.

And, by the way, "Oh, oops" is not the correct answer here. The FBI has had a fair amount of practice "accidently" lighting off CS gas to terminate protracted resistence. But as long as they were burning black babies in LA and Philly, nobody much noticed.

143 posted on 12/01/2003 1:37:19 AM PST by donh
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To: _Jim
As I said prior _Jim...

Bullshit

148 posted on 12/01/2003 8:51:12 AM PST by sit-rep
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To: _Jim
Since the wonderful author of this piece makes numerous value judgements and does not address any facts, I'll address the single "fact" he does mention.

The only factual information he presents is the following (which I suppose is the entirety of the "empirical data" he appears to be so enamored with).

"And the flashes recorded on FLIR that are said to be the gunshots killing those allegedly trying to escape do not actually resemble real gunshots. Instead, the long durations of the flashes resemble thermal reflections."

So, what exactly is the duration of the flashes seen on the FLIR video?

163 posted on 12/01/2003 1:00:43 PM PST by Reactionary
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