Comparisons Between Civil Rights, Gay Marriage Upset Blacks

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Comparisons Between Civil Rights, Gay Marriage Upset Blacks By Jay Lindsay Associated Press Writer

BOSTON (AP) - Conservative blacks are objecting to recent comparisons between the gay marriage and civil rights movements, arguing that sexual orientation is a choice. Links between the two struggles have been made since the state's highest court ruled last week that the Massachusetts constitution guarantees gay couples the right to marry. The court cited landmark laws that struck bans on interracial marriage.

But the Rev. Talbert Swan II said the two struggles are not similar because blacks were lynched, denied property rights and declared inhuman.

"Homosexuality is a chosen lifestyle," he said. "I could not choose the color of my skin. ... For me to ride down the street and get profiled just because of my skin color is something a homosexual will never go through."

A poll released by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press on Nov. 18, the day of the ruling, indicated 60 percent of blacks opposed gay marriage.

When asked if they favored legal agreements with many of the same rights as marriage, 51 percent of blacks were opposed.

Michael Adams, an attorney with the gay advocacy legal group Lambda Legal, said polls show blacks support gays in other areas, such as workplace equality. Strong conservative religious values that predominate in the black community may explain the division, he said.

He added there are key differences in the two movements, including slavery and forced segregation, which gays never experienced. But the groups have seen similar discrimination based on deeply held prejudices, he said.

Mychal Massie, a conservative columnist and member of Project 21, a Washington D.C.-based political alliance of conservative blacks, said the comparisons aren't valid.

"It is an outrage to align something so offensive as this with the struggle of a fallen man, a great man such as Martin Luther King," said Massie, who writes for WorldNetDaily.com.

"The whole thing bespeaks of something much deeper and more insidious than we just want to get married," he said. "They want to change the entire social order."

Alvin Williams, president and CEO of the conservative, Washington D.C.-based Black America's Political Action Committee, said the gay marriage issue looks like an equal rights issue at first, but becomes a "special rights" issue after closer examination because it's about behavior, not ethnicity.

Not everyone objects to the comparison, however. In Wednesday's Democratic presidential debate, black candidates Carol Moseley Braun and the Rev. Al Sharpton declared support for gay marriage. Both compared it to past discrimination against blacks.

The Rev. William Sinkford, a black man who is president of the Unitarian Universalist Association, said the struggle for gay civil rights is this generation's great challenge, just as equality for blacks was the last generation's.

"I think there's very little to be gained by trying to create a hierarchy of oppression," Sinkford said.

Emory College professor David Garrow said the legal histories of the two movements have abundant parallels, including the arguments that marriage between the races and same sexes is unnatural and against God's law. Homosexuals have also seen similar bias in the workplace when they've made their sexual orientation known, he said.

[martin_fierro]

Black Conservative meta-ping

[FreedomPoster]

This issue may be what gets many otherwise-conservative blacks to wake up and stop the block Democrat voting.

[XtreMarine]

I only read part of the article but the part that struck me as the truth was this part. Being gay is a choice, contrary to popular belief. Being black is by the grace of God. How are the challenges of both the same. I did not wake up and say I wanted to be black, I was born this way. Nor did I grow and think to myself I want to be black. I was born this way. I am proud of the fact of who I am and the experiences I have had. Now why would I want to go through what my ancestor went through by deciding I want to be gay? I don't agree with the idea of being gay nor do I agree with gay marriages. So I definitely do not agree with the crazy idea that my ancestors journey through racism is the same as being gay and dealing with the problems of today.....

[Batrachian]

I would be angry too if my cause where equated with a perversion. They mock and trivialize the civil rights movement, such as it is. I say "such as it is" because much has been done in the name of civil rights that we conservatives disagree with, but even so, to say that giving legal license to homosexual relationships is the same as trying to end racism is obscene.

[Yeti]

Being gay is a choice, contrary to popular belief. Being black is by the grace of God.

I think the "gay" community has anticipated this difference as a sticking point in their efforts to acquire a certain social status for themselves, hence the new mythology of an intrinsic homosexual orientation as something with which a person in born.

[StonyBurk]

Consistant with views published in Washington Times/Family and culture section Jan.1998 in story by Julia Duin titled
Kings conservative daughter makes waves with agenda." Every
time a black speaks the Truth about so called Gay Rights movement the "already captured press" treats it with shock
and awe.

[Eastbound]

"Alvin Williams, president and CEO of the conservative, Washington D.C.-based Black America's Political Action Committee, said the gay marriage issue looks like an equal rights issue at first, but becomes a "special rights" issue after closer examination because it's about behavior, not ethnicity.

There it is, pure and simple with all the BS stripped away.

[wizardoz]

Hmm, looks like the arranged "marriage" of all the victims' groups has begun to show some strain. The Democrats' tent is starting to shake.

[WorkingClassFilth]

Oh yeah, baby. This will play real well with the black folks I know. Nothing like having the essence of your being and heritage equated with furtive acts of perversion being done in public bathrooms. Yeah, that's the ticket...

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[EQAndyBuzz]

Now if the Black community will realize that their representatives don't give a squat about them, we will finally be able to rebuild the inner cities, promote jobs, lower welfare and once and for all destroy the RATS.

[GrandMoM]

I only read part of the article but the part that struck me as the truth was this part.

Being gay is a choice, contrary to popular belief. Being black is by the grace of God. How are the challenges of both the same. I did not wake up and say I wanted to be black, I was born this way. Nor did I grow and think to myself I want to be black. I was born this way. I am proud of the fact of who I am and the experiences I have had. Now why would I want to go through what my ancestor went through by deciding I want to be gay? I don't agree with the idea of being gay nor do I agree with gay marriages. So I definitely do not agree with the crazy idea that my ancestors journey through racism is the same as being gay and dealing with the problems of today

....deserves to be re-posted!!!!!!!!

[longtermmemmory]

Which is why homosexuals adopted the MYTH of "gaybashing" in schools. Which is why the made a man trolling for homosexual sex partners, their martyr.

The are the new nazis, and they have take directly from the nazi propaganda book.

[Kitten1]

I couldn't have said it better myself.

A radio station in my area had a discussion on this issue and I was on with a homosexual activist. I mentioned that the best way to resolve this question was to:

Put he and I in a room wearing black pants and black turtlenecks. Sit us in chairs. Not allow either of us to use any physical gestures, speak or wear jewelry or makeup. We had to sit upright, feet together, and rest our hands on our thighs. Then let a series of people make note of words they would use to describe us, based purely on seeing us in that room.

I asked him to be honest on how many would peg him as homosexual just by looking at him in that setting. He sputtered and hung up his phone. He proved my point that their ilk was trying to use something God-ordained to legitimize their choices. For a group that claims to be proud, they waste no time hiding behind the skirt of civil rights.

Why does a group that claims that what they do is a private matter always seek public preferences?

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Mychal Massie, a conservative columnist and member of Project 21, a Washington D.C.-based political alliance of conservative blacks, said the comparisons aren't valid.

"It is an outrage to align something so offensive as this with the struggle of a fallen man, a great man such as Martin Luther King," said Massie, who writes for WorldNetDaily.com.

"The whole thing bespeaks of something much deeper and more insidious than we just want to get married," he said. "They want to change the entire social order."

It's always struck me that if one says that homosexual advocacy is the moral equivalent of the black civil rights movement, then one must also be saying that to be homosexual is the moral equivalent of being black, and conversely, that being black is the moral equivalent of being homosexual.

It's never surprised me, though, that no Republicans have the spine to point this out and call the Democrats to account.

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[Old Professer]

Another squeal heard from the ever-shrinking trough.

[St. Clair Slim]

So we're supposed to be just like fags because we're Black?

[Calpernia]

You amaze me. How the heck do you always have all these articles ready for a post?

Bump to you!