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Baldwin Says, "I'll Take the Word of God Over the Word of G.W. Bush"
Chuck Baldwin Ministries ^ | 11-25-03 | Baldwin, Chuck

Posted on 11/26/2003 4:26:59 PM PST by Theodore R.

I'll Take The Word Of God Over The Word Of G.W. Bush

By Chuck Baldwin

Food For Thought From The Chuck Wagon November 25, 2003 While in London, England last week, President Bush stood beside Prime Minister Tony Blair and said that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. This is the latest example of how willing Bush seems to be to compromise fundamental principle in order to appear politically-correct. In so doing, he has both impugned the God of the Bible and revealed deep ignorance of Christian doctrine.

Historic Christian belief has always held that the Creator-God was manifested in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ. The New Testament plainly teaches that the only way anyone can come to God or know God is through His Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus, Himself, declared, "I and the Father are one." He also said, "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father."

In warning Christians against false doctrines and false prophets, the Apostle John wrote, "Who is a liar, but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is anti-christ, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also." (I John 2:22,23)

By denying the deity of Jesus Christ, the Muslim faith is found to be nothing more than another form of paganism. In fact, when Mohammed first formed Islam, there were over 300 pagan gods prevalent in that part of the world. Mohammed selected the moon god Allah and declared it to be God. This is why the crescent moon is the symbol of Islam. Yes, friends, Allah is nothing more than the ancient, pagan moon god.

Does President Bush really believe that the Lord Jesus Christ and the ancient moon god Allah are actually one and the same? Apparently he does. If that is the case, does he believe that other pagan gods, of which there are thousands, are also co-equal to the Son of God? I guess the real question then becomes, "Does G.W. Bush remotely understand what it means to be a Christian?" His statements lead me to believe he does not.

For 2,000 years, Christians have accepted Jesus' declaration, "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6) as being the absolute truth. The early Apostles and disciples of Christ suffered horrible deaths proclaiming this simple and straightforward message.

If President Bush is right, and Christians and Muslims worship the same god, then the Holy Scriptures are wrong, and the Apostles and early Church fathers were also horribly mistaken and died silly, unnecessary deaths! If, on the other hand, the Scriptures, including Christ's own words, are right, and the Apostles and early Church fathers died for the truth, then President Bush is found to be in serious and egregious error!

As for me, I'll take the Word of God over the word of G.W. Bush!

© Chuck Baldwin


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: allah; apostlejohn; apostles; baldwin; christianity; crescent; error; god; godthefather; gwbush; islam; jesustheson; mohammed; moongod; pc; scripture; tonyblair
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1 posted on 11/26/2003 4:27:01 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
Sounds like another Baldwin brother to me.
2 posted on 11/26/2003 4:28:00 PM PST by BCrago66
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To: Theodore R.
God Bless our President. I love my fundamentalist preachers, but sometimes politicians 'have to be' politically correct ...

otherwise, where else does the phrase gets it name from?

3 posted on 11/26/2003 4:30:27 PM PST by AgThorn (Go go Bush!!)
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To: Theodore R.
President Bush stood beside Prime Minister Tony Blair and said that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. This is the latest example of how willing Bush seems to be to compromise fundamental principle in order to appear politically-correct.

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Bush is spineless and hates adult disagreement or confrontation. I said this four years ago and I believe it now.

4 posted on 11/26/2003 4:32:34 PM PST by RLK
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To: Theodore R.
I'll take the Word of God over the word of G.W. Bush!

Er, I would hope all of us do...

5 posted on 11/26/2003 4:33:31 PM PST by k2blader (Haruspex, beware.)
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To: Theodore R.
the ancient moon god Allah

Is Chuck Baldwin actually Jack Chick? See his comic strip Allah Had No Son
6 posted on 11/26/2003 4:36:37 PM PST by lelio
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To: Theodore R.
Oh my, it appears at if Alec's guest book is operational! Remember when he had to disable it? :) www.alecbaldwin.com
7 posted on 11/26/2003 4:43:12 PM PST by Snowy (Annoy a lib -> Work hard, earn money, and be happy!)
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To: RLK
I said this four years ago and I believe it now.

You were wrong then, and you are wrong now,

8 posted on 11/26/2003 4:45:26 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: RLK
I suggest that along with your turkey, just stuff it.
9 posted on 11/26/2003 4:46:36 PM PST by tbpiper
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To: Theodore R.
As much as I admire and respect our President, he is definitely wrong on this point. Of course he says this because it's politically expedient. The press whor-er-I-mean corps would literally tear him to shreds if he actually stated what Rev. Baldwin said in this piece, which is essentially the truth. Too bad we live in an age where the truth of our Lord cannot be boldly told in the political realm. Look at the flack the Maj. General got from the ('RAT) Media AND the Pentagon!

-Regards, T.
10 posted on 11/26/2003 4:46:48 PM PST by T Lady (Who Let the 'RATS Out?!!)
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To: RLK
Bush is spineless and hates adult disagreement or confrontation. I said this four years ago and I believe it now.
Isn't that special? You said he was "spineless"? You were wrong then, and you're still wrong.
11 posted on 11/26/2003 4:49:25 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: Theodore R.
Historic Christian belief has always held that the Creator-God was manifested in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Historic what, precisely? Apparently this pulpit-lurking bible-abuser who presumes to speak for all Christians and Muslims has never read the Nicene Creed, the Apostle's Creed, or the Creed of St. Athanasius.
12 posted on 11/26/2003 4:50:28 PM PST by Asclepius (karma vigilante)
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To: Theodore R.
Great another nutbag.
13 posted on 11/26/2003 4:51:28 PM PST by Tempest
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To: Theodore R.
Bush needs to defer when asked questions such as this. These are theological questions and he just gets himself in trouble, especially when he's so obviously wrong.
14 posted on 11/26/2003 4:51:58 PM PST by bereanway
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To: bereanway
These are theological questions and he just gets himself in trouble,

He's your president, not your priest.

15 posted on 11/26/2003 4:54:54 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Theodore R.
"...then President Bush is found to be in serious and egregious error! As for me, I'll take the Word of God over the word of G.W. Bush!

The story of Job is about how three pious "friends" thought Job had committed sins against God and was experiencing God's judgement. Turns out Job was more righteous then they were and Job had to intercede for them. It is a lesson not to be so quick to judge others.

16 posted on 11/26/2003 4:57:20 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: lelio
"Moon god over Mecca"
[sung to the tune of "Blue Moon over Kentucky"]

Moon god over Mecca keep on shinin'
Shine on the ones who'll die for thee.
You say your paradise is full of virgins,
But they all look like Helen Thomas to me...

You gave your prophet fits and visions,
To write them in a book he calls Ko-ran,
Now these raggheads blow themselves to pieces,
I guess this is allah's payment plan...

17 posted on 11/26/2003 5:00:51 PM PST by KriegerGeist ("The weapons of our warefare are not carnal, but mighty though God for pulling down of strongholds")
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To: bereanway
These are theological questions and he just gets himself in trouble, especially when he's so obviously wrong.

Or maybe he thinks it would be a bad idea to pick a fight with all 1.1 BILLION muslims in the world all at the same time. I would tend to think that would be a bad idea, so maybe he does too.

18 posted on 11/26/2003 5:02:03 PM PST by Ramius
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To: Theodore R.; All
A little God talk from the chief

By Wesley Pruden

It's not easy being the theologian-in-chief. George W. Bush often gives lectures in Islam as "the religion of peace" between denunciations of suicide bombers in Israel and terrorist slayers of American soldiers in Iraq, and last week in London he had to pause in the midst of a state visit to instruct an inquiring British mind in the nature of God.

A British reporter asked the president whether "Muslims worship the same Almighty" that he does.

The president could have replied that the question should be addressed to a Muslim, since not even a president of the United States, as wise as such men must be, can know what's in the mind of a Muslim, or even another Methodist. But a theologian-in-chief plunges bravely ahead:

"I do say that freedom is the Almighty's gift to every person. I also condition it by saying freedom is America's gift to the world. It's much greater than that, of course. And I believe we worship the same God."

This appeared to be a deliberate attempt to satisfy the questioner with an abundance of argle-bargle — if the Almighty has given freedom to everybody, how is it that America gives it to the world? But some of our divines apparently didn't catch the president's wink. They thought the theologian-in-chief wanted a debate.

Richard D. Land, the chief of the public-affairs office of the Southern Baptist Convention, said the theologian-in-chief was "simply mistaken." He told The Washington Post in a subsequent interview: "We should always remember that he is commander-in-chief, not theologian-in-chief. The Bible is clear on this: The one and true God is Jehovah, and His only begotten Son is Jesus Christ." The Rev. Ted Haggard, president of the National Association of Evangelicals, contradicted Mr. Bush, too. "The Christian God encourages freedom, love, forgiveness, prosperity and health. The Muslim God appears to value the opposite. The personalities of each God are evidence in the cultures, civilizations and dispositions of the peoples that serve them."

All true, but this was not the question the theologian-in-chief was trying to answer in London. Since Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all monotheistic religions, worshipping a single God, Mr. Bush was both theologically (and politically) correct. The three religions approach God in different ways.

"God talk" upsets the chattering class, and the reporter in London was no doubt trying to stir up a little mischief. The British chattering class, like the chattering class in Europe and in America, is contemptuous of the president's religious faith, which he talks about only when asked about it, and never tries to force it into a conversation, either privately or in public. What the chatterers object to is that the president has a faith at all; he should be, like them, aggressively heathen.

The president, in fact, has considerably less to say about religious faith than most of his predecessors. George Washington proclaimed an official, government-mandated Thanksgiving in 1789, and it had nothing to do with turkeys, cranberry sauce, and sweet potatoes with or without the marshmallow topping. His countrymen should be grateful because "it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly implore His protection and favor."

Thomas Jefferson, not exactly a Bible-thumper, nevertheless spoke of his "need" for "the favor of that Being in whose hands we are, who led our fathers, as Israel of old, from their native land and planted them in a country flowing with all the necessaries and comforts of life."

Andrew Jackson proclaimed his "firm reliance on the goodness of that Power whose providence mercifully protected our national infancy." Abraham Lincoln got down to specifics that would have given both CAIR and the ACLU heartburn, calling on "intelligence, patriotism, Christianity and a firm reliance on Him who has never yet forsaken this favored land." When Teddy Roosevelt finished his oath of office, he leaned forward, took the Bible in his hands and kissed it, and said: "No people on earth have more cause to be thankful than ours, and this is said reverently, in no spirit of boastfulness of our own strength." Franklin D. Roosevelt, concluding a meeting with Winston Churchill on the deck of an American destroyer on the eve of World War II, even asked the assembled crew to join him in a chorus of "Onward, Christian Soldiers." Not exactly deference to the faithless.

Wesley Pruden is editor in chief of The Times.

http://washtimes.com/national/pruden.htm


19 posted on 11/26/2003 5:02:28 PM PST by DrDeb
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To: tbpiper
Very succinctly put. Now, care to back it up without any poultry analogies?
20 posted on 11/26/2003 5:06:52 PM PST by ShadowDancer
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