WE'RE UNDER ATTACK!: New Gay Theology Challenges Traditional Views of Scripture and Intimacy

washingtonpost.com ^ | August 9, 2003 | Bill Broadway

[DrainBamage]

Robert Goss sits on the radical edge of homosexual theology, calling for churches to abandon centuries-old concepts of "normativity" and accept gay men and lesbians for what he says they are: people made in the image of God whose sexuality is a divine blessing.

Goss believes such a change is inevitable, that a diverse and increasingly vocal movement called "queer theology" will create an impact on Christianity matching that of the 16th-century Protestant Reformation.

[EdReform]

Sex, torture and erotic electrification in America's 'gay' churches

(About the Metropolitan Community Church: Was Jesus 'gay'?)

[DrainBamage]

Yes, sad but true.

[bethelgrad]

Yeah, Henry had issues.

[netmilsmom]

Oh but don't you see, the gay way of things is to believe in the Word of God but selectively. See things the way it will most benefit them.
My sister believes that she judges herself before God. If God made her this way so how could it be wrong. She states that no where in the bible does it talk about Lesbians. I have kindly gotten quotes from FReepers regarding this and passed them along. She says Christ came to override the laws of Kosher and all laws of the OT. Jesus said there are only two laws, Love God above all others (she says she does that) and love your neighbor as yourself. I want to smack her, but it is easier to avoid her.

[scripter]

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[ArrogantBustard]

Does "erotic electrification" mean what I think it means?

[cookcounty]

"Indeed. I just wish all the Protestants who still celebrate the "heroism" of folks like Luther, Calvin and Zwingli would realize that "Bishop" Robinson and the Goodridge decision are the logical culmination of what those guys set in motion, and we haven't seen the end yet."

I don't want to refight the Reformation, but I don't think this analogy holds water. Luther, Calvin and Zwingli all held to the authority of scripture, indeed they held to it rather more tightly than the Roman church. These gay theologians begin by rejecting Scripture as normative and openly demote it to a position of being subject to human "reinterpretation." What would you do if the Pope ruled homosexual practice to be perfectly normal and okay for priests? ---As the apostolic successor in New Hampshire has already done?

[nonsporting]

It is (as the communists used to say) no accident that the writer of the original Washington Post article made a parallel between the 16th century Protestant Reformation and the "New Gay Theology". The one leads inevitably to the other. Actions have consequences the actors often don't have intended, people.

Hardly. The Protestant Reformation sought to restore the Scriptures, saving them from the "traditions of men." Sola Scriptura.

The "New Gay Theology" is a return to the traditions of men, in this case queer folk, who "professing to be wise, they became fools, exchanging the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man..." (Romans 1:23ff)... "...God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for the unnatural, and ... men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another...' (Romans 1:26ff).

Not all "reformers" are correct. The Bible is the standard against which all private interpretations must be judged.

10,000 denominations? Care to name them?

[polemikos]

a diverse and increasingly vocal movement called "queer theology" will create an impact on Christianity matching that of the 16th-century Protestant Reformation.

Sola Scriptura Bump.

[HarleyD]

"Complicating the biblical debate, both sides acknowledge, is the lack of any explicit discussion of same-sex relations in the Gospels, the heart of Christian theology that includes the life and teachings of Jesus.

This is a lie. I would like to know their sources. The Bible is clear about same-sex relations.

I also found it interesting in how the attack on the two angles in Sodom is not a "homosexual" issue but a rape issue.

Contrary to what is report by these "queer believers" Jesus never promises a world of peace. He promised peace for his believers. The world will be destroyed.

It would be helpful if they read their Bibles before establishing a church. It may help them doctrinally.

[netmilsmom]

You have a very interesting profile page!
What does your tagline mean?

[polemikos]

"World Christian Encyclopedia" states that there are 33,830 Christian denominations.

[scripter]

It definitely sounds like something the Apostle Paul once said in 2 Tim 4:3

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

[johnb838]

My rector laid out the whole thing at education hour Sunday. He went through the references in the bible and parroted the homosexual rationalizations of them.

For example, you can't accept the proscription on it in Leviticus unless you accept EVERY proscription in Leviticus. To which I say that every rule in that book had a good reason behind it. Some are not relevant today. Some are. I would argue that the law against men lying with men is more relevant today than ever.

Later he said, "Now let us discuss what Jesus had to say about homosexuality", then he turned went and took a long drink of water, then came back to the podium and said "Now on to what Paul said".

It was very upsetting.

[exmarine]

It was very upsetting.

Time for you to find a new church friend. Obviously, your church as rejected the plain reading of scripture, and has ceased to be a church. Just hang ICHABOD on the door, dust off your sandals and get away from this corrupted pastor.

[Wallace T.]

This discussion is about pro-homosexual, apostate distortion of orthodox Christian theology that is agreed upon by the three major branches of the Christian faith. Why do you intend on turning it into another stupid Catholic-Protestant food fight?

[exmarine]

Tell him to explain Genesis 2:24 - For this reason a man shall leave his mother and father and cleave to his WIFE. What does the word "WIFE" mean?

[randita]

What ever happened to Liberation Theology?

[thulldud]

It was very upsetting.

You don't say! Paul's position, repeatedly affirmed under extreme pressure, was that he was a representative (apostle) personally called by Christ to speak for Him. Any distinction between the "message of Jesus" and the "message of Paul", implying that they came from different sources, means that at least Paul or Jesus has been made irrelevant.

The idea is to make all Scripture irrelevant. (But you already knew that.)

[RansomOttawa]

Indeed. I just wish all the Protestants who still celebrate the "heroism" of folks like Luther, Calvin and Zwingli would realize that "Bishop" Robinson and the Goodridge decision are the logical culmination of what those guys set in motion, and we haven't seen the end yet.

Codswallop. The Reformers upheld Scripture as the highest and final rule by which all matters of faith and morals were to be decided. "Queer theology" is an abandonment of the Reformation, not the culmination of it.

The glorification of homosexuality in the liberal churches and the elevation of the Virgin Mary to co-mediatrix are both symptoms of the same disease: the abandonment of the Church's proper rule of faith.