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Does "Gay" Marriage Harm the Institution of Marriage?
http://www.cybcity.com/bibchr/gaymarriage.html ^ | Daniel J. Phillips

Posted on 11/24/2003 8:38:19 AM PST by xzins

Does "Gay" Marriage Harm the Institution of Marriage?
by Daniel J. Phillips

 

 

Rogue court activism, and messed-up people with (evidently) far too much time on their hands and far too rich resources, have once again set out to push America in a direction in which it ought not go.

I speak, of course, of "gay" (homosexual) marriage.

My intent here is not to focus on the whole issue of homosexuality. I have a more modest aim. I want to address one argument which is heard frequently from the pro-"gay"-marriage faction: "Nobody has ever explained to me how 'gay' marriage threatens the institution of marriage."

While I find this claim initially hard to believe, I'm not sure I've ever seen a direct response. So here is my own modest effort. I phrase it in the form of a question: "Does counterfeit money threaten genuine currency?"

The answer to that is that, of course, counterfeit money does threaten genuine currency. It devalues it. If a $1 bill bearing picture of Bill Clinton on it, run off on someone's HP printer, suddenly is accepted as being as legitimate as a genuine $1 bill, then all currency is devalued. The broader the acceptance, and the greater the proliferation, the more devastating the blow to currency.

What Is Marriage?

The Bible is fairly plain on the subject. To wit:

For this reason, a man shall forsake his father and his mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh
(Genesis 2:24, my translation)

Here are the elements, in a nutshell:

  1. The transaction involves one man, one woman.
  2. The man severs his ties to his previous family unit of father and mother ("forsake")
  3. A covenant creates a new family unit ("shall cleave")
  4. This new covenant is sealed with sexual union ("shall become one flesh")

That is marriage, in God's eyes. All variations are offensive to Him, and destructive to man.

How Is Marriage Doing?

Marriage has already taken serious blows. It is easy to get into, and easy to get out of. A man stands before God and everyone else, and swears the most solemn oath imaginable that he will be faithful to his bride alone. But if he then turns into a serial adulterer, he is protected from consequences. As far as I know, he cannot be jailed nor sued for breach of contract. In fact, he might become a very popular figure. Even President.

Or, if the wife in this solemn relationship gets bored, or finds marriage more demanding than she anticipated, she can get right out of it. Any reason will do, or none at all. Just fill out the paperwork, hit the legal "reboot" button, and she's back on the market.

All of this damages marriage. All of this lowers the estimation and value of marriage. All of this cheapens the institution.

And yet, even amid all that, society for centuries has been clear on at least one element: marriage involves a woman and a man.

That is what today's moral nihilists are trying to change.

So, Does "Gay" Marriage Harm the Institution?

So, back to the lead matter, briefly. Does "gay" marriage harm marriage?

Of course it does.

It harms many other things as well -- the individuals involved, society, any poor children who get caught up in any way in the resultant monstrous abomination. But marriage is harmed by the redefinition of a basic word. "Marriage" by definition cannot be homosexual. If it is broadened to include one sexual perversion, there is no rational reason why it should not be broadened to include every sexual perversion. Advocates don't like this point very much; I think that is because it is irrefutable.

And so, if "marriage" means everything, then it necessarily means nothing. A word with no fixed definition has no definition. A word that can mean anything at all means nothing at all.

This is just a little glimpse at a teensy bit of the harm this insane notion involves.

It all goes to prove the point made often in Scripture, and summed up nicely in Jeremiah 8:9b. The prophet says: "behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" The slightest rejection of God's Word necessarily and unavoidably moves one just that far in the direction of insanity.

And so we see here.

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KEYWORDS: counterfeit; gay; goodridge; homosexual; homosexualagenda; homosexualmarriage; marriage; prisoners; roguejudiciary; samesexmarriage; union
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1 posted on 11/24/2003 8:38:21 AM PST by xzins
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To: xzins
INTSUM - SOCIOLOGY
2 posted on 11/24/2003 8:42:51 AM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: xzins
Excellent argument. It couldn't be clearer.
3 posted on 11/24/2003 8:43:18 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: xzins
While I find this claim initially hard to believe, I'm not sure I've ever seen a direct response. So here is my own modest effort. I phrase it in the form of a question: "Does counterfeit money threaten genuine currency?"

The answer to that is that, of course, counterfeit money does threaten genuine currency. It devalues it. If a $1 bill bearing picture of Bill Clinton on it, run off on someone's HP printer, suddenly is accepted as being as legitimate as a genuine $1 bill, then all currency is devalued. The broader the acceptance, and the greater the proliferation, the more devastating the blow to currency.

Not quite right, even by the response he's looking for. If a Bill Clinton $1 bill became accepted as worth $1, it would just be an object of trade. It would be so obviously not a dollar bill that it wouldn't be a problem. It would become a form of barter in collectables.

It's when a counterfeit bill is mistaken for the real thing that counterfeiting becomes a problem.

The question is whether gay marriage is a counterfeit dollar bill or a British pound -- a different currency, but currency nonetheless.

4 posted on 11/24/2003 8:45:52 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: xzins
"Does "Gay" Marriage Harm the Institution of Marriage?"

Of course it does, and that's the underlying intent of the entire movement. The Catholic Church, and other Orthodox Christian Churches hold that marriage is sacred, a holy Sacrament that was instituted and blessed by God. Be certain that Satan is behind the "gay marriage" agenda, because it is Christianity that suffers the deepest wound from this perverted debauchery.

5 posted on 11/24/2003 8:47:48 AM PST by TheCrusader
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To: BibChr
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6 posted on 11/24/2003 8:48:37 AM PST by xzins (Proud to be Army!)
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To: xzins
The bottom line here is that we as a society have to admitt that there is somthing wrong with us, so that people who are gay can tell themselves that there is nothing wrong with them.
7 posted on 11/24/2003 8:49:15 AM PST by Falcon4.0
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The answer to that is that, of course, counterfeit money does threaten genuine currency. It devalues it. If a $1 bill bearing picture of Bill Clinton on it, run off on someone's HP printer, suddenly is accepted as being as legitimate as a genuine $1 bill, then all currency is devalued.

That is all that needs to be said

8 posted on 11/24/2003 8:52:49 AM PST by Truth Table
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
I believe that's the intent of his line. He's saying that the counterfeit money in circulation, fooling others into accepting it as real, causes a devaluation of the dollar as the number of dollars is falsely increased.

Obviously, every dictionary doesn't accidentally define marriage as between a male/female. They do so because that relationship, male/female, is unique and requires its own word....marriage It is unique in that its issues, difficulties, responsibilities, and potentialities are entirely different than those presented by other relationships. Therefore, it requires its own word.

The same reason why we call a "platypus" a different name than we call a "lion." They are different.
9 posted on 11/24/2003 8:53:25 AM PST by xzins (Proud to be Army!)
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To: xzins; newgeezer
Excellent post!!!! This is my biggest issue of the month. I'm pretty much out of the Republican party over it.
10 posted on 11/24/2003 8:55:20 AM PST by biblewonk (I must answer all bible questions.)
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To: RonDog
ping
11 posted on 11/24/2003 8:55:56 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: xzins
I say hammer the point home. Let the demoncRATs be the outspoken supporters of Satan. Lets see who wins future elections...
12 posted on 11/24/2003 8:59:07 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: xzins
It's always the Liberals that want to change the meaning of words.

Marriage = Man + Woman
Deviant = Man + Man

13 posted on 11/24/2003 9:02:12 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
Even if I favored gay marriage (I don't, I'm 100% against it) I would oppose the judicial aggression that is imposing it on us by force.

Why do so many libertarians applaud judicial power grabs, or at least shrug them off as no big deal, as long as the result is one they like? We saw that with the sodomy ruling a few months ago. Their attitude seemed to be, "We don't like state laws against sodomy, so we're happy the feds used whatever means were necessary to get rid of them."

That's a very dangerous attitude, and it's beginning to appear in the gay marriage debate as well. The attitude is, "Hey, it's none of my concern if two gay guys want to marry, so it won't bother me a bit if unelected federal judges invoke federal power to force gay marriage on every state in the union."

It's what I call Big Government Libertarianism. Not only does it invoke federal power to get rid of state laws they don't like, but it transfers power from the people to unelected branches of government. I won't even bother getting into the inability of such people to grasp that these rulings ultimately lead to bigger government at both the state and federal level (e.g., forcing kids to be taught that homosexuality is normal in the public schools, FCC rulings forcing advertisers to include gay couples in their ads, all of which will follow in the wake of these pro-gay rulings).
14 posted on 11/24/2003 9:02:52 AM PST by puroresu
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
"If a Bill Clinton $1 bill became accepted as worth $1, it would just be an object of trade. It would be so obviously not a dollar bill that it wouldn't be a problem."

I'm not sure that is right. It would still result in inflation (if practiced widely)because nothing of value was produced to cause that dollar to enter into the realm of trade. This analogy is like if you are using gold coins, then someone discovers gold and makes a bunch of coins, then those gold coins all become devalued. Inflation is a monetary phenomenon. If you artificially increase the money supply, each unit of money becomes devalued.

That said, the finer points of monetary theory/inflation aren't really the topic here, are they?
15 posted on 11/24/2003 9:02:55 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: TheCrusader
The Catholic Church, and other Orthodox Christian Churches hold that marriage is sacred, a holy Sacrament that was instituted and blessed by God..

The issue here is not religious recognition of gay unions (let's keep the word 'marriage' out for now). There are religions that already recognize, and perform, such unions. Other religions will probably never recognize gay unions, regardless of whether or not those unions are legally recognized.

No, gay unions will have little or no effect on the religious concept of marriage. The bigger issue is whether the state should recognize such unions. The best solution may be for the state to simply get out of the marriage game. Rather, private persons should be allowed to enter into whatever contractual agreements they desire (from a legal point of view, marriage is really just a peculiar type of contract). This would resolve a lot of the issues regarding wills, disposition of property, the right to visit a dying partner in the hospital (which is a big issue for gay couples- there have been many instances where hospitals have not allowed a homosexual person in to see their partner in intensive care since they were not a family member). Maybe getting government out of the marriage game would make this whole issue go away.

16 posted on 11/24/2003 9:09:31 AM PST by Modernman (I am Evil Homer, I am Evil Homer....)
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To: xzins
There is a link between heterosexual marriage and child-bearing and child-rearing. This link has roots in almost every facet of our society.

In our current culture, that parent-child link is under assault from many sides. Homosexual marriage assists in that assault.

It is in the interest of the state to prevent the parent-child link from weakening further. One thing the state can do is to ban homosexual marriage.

17 posted on 11/24/2003 9:10:18 AM PST by etcetera
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To: biblewonk
But, does it harm marriage?

Frankly, as much as I despise the thought of it, there's not much left of marriage to be harmed. No-fault hetero divorce has done irreparable damage. This is just the next logical step.

For a secular analogy, Sodomite "marriage" harms marriage about as much as [insert your social program of choice here] harms the Constitution. There's precious little left to be harmed by it.

Come, Lord Jesus.

18 posted on 11/24/2003 9:13:47 AM PST by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible, i.e. words mean things!)
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To: newgeezer
I think there is still more harm to be done. This harm is partly symbolic. It is the ashes of Sodom being resurrected and thrown in God's face. There is another aspect of harm, look at what divorce has done to a generation of bastard kids. The bible doesn't even have a term for kids raised in sodomite homes. Oh, wait, yes it does,....bastards.

This makes marriage one step less a Godly institution and one step more meaningless as the article said. When a word can mean anything then it means nothing.

19 posted on 11/24/2003 9:17:15 AM PST by biblewonk (I must answer all bible questions.)
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To: Falcon4.0
--The bottom line here is that we as a society have to admitt that there is somthing wrong with us, so that people who are gay can tell themselves that there is nothing wrong with them. --

Exactly right! So, do you think we'll have to pay reparations?
20 posted on 11/24/2003 9:17:57 AM PST by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Israel!)
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