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Army Seeks Short-Term Payoff From Future Combat Systems
National Defense Magazine ^ | December 2003 | Sandra I. Erwin

Posted on 11/23/2003 5:19:13 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4

The Army is redirecting priorities in the Future Combat Systems program, in an attempt to meet short-term needs for new technologies. This shift in emphasis means the program will be less about developing futuristic concepts and more about upgrading the current tanks, armored infantry vehicles and trucks.

Program officials assert that the chief of staff of the Army, Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker, supports the FCS and intends to keep the $15 billion project on track to field a new family of vehicles by 2010. But the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan clearly have forced the Army to reassess the program goals. While the FCS previously was viewed as a long-term modernization effort, now the chief wants FCS to begin delivering technologies as soon as possible.

The plan is to “spin off capabilities” out of FCS into the Abrams tank and Bradley infantry vehicle fleets, said Lt. Gen. John S. Caldwell Jr., military deputy to the assistant secretary of the Army for acquisition. But he cautioned that the FCS program is not being significantly restructured or downscaled. Rather, other programs will be “adjusted” to take advantage of the new technologies developed in FCS, Caldwell told National Defense.

Since the FCS got under way more than three years ago, the predominant message heard from senior officials has been the notion of FCS as a “network” or a “system of systems” that would usher the Army into the information age.

Each FCS brigade, called a unit of action, will run 30 million lines of software. More than half of the money in the program will be allocated to ground combat vehicles and C4ISR (command, control, communications, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance) systems.

A seamless network of light ground vehicles and aircraft remains the essence of the FCS, but program officials now are stressing that FCS is first and foremost about putting technology in the hands of soldiers. During an industry conference last month sponsored by the Army Tank-Automotive and Armaments Command, in Dearborn, Mich., the program manager for FCS, Brig. Gen. Donald F. Schenk, told contactors that they “need to work fast.”

Despite widespread skepticism that the program may not be able to deliver a new generation of vehicles to begin replacing tanks and Bradleys in less than a decade, Schenk said that the goals are achievable. But in his opening comments to the conference, he acknowledged that, with the Army at war, the focus has changed. The technologies of the FCS could “transition” to other programs “more quickly than most people think,” Schenk said.

Among the technologies that could “spiral” from FCS into the current force are wireless communications systems, active protection for vehicles, diagnostics devices to predict engine failures, hybrid-electric power units and advanced truck suspensions, said Albert Puzzuoli, deputy program executive officer for Army ground combat systems.

But for FCS to be successful, he stressed, the Army and its contractors must fix a vexing problem that affects today’s weapons systems: electronics obsolescence. The term refers to the difficulties in upgrading older weapon systems because the electronic components often are out of production and not available in the commercial market. This could pose serious hurdles as the Army figures out how to upgrade the Abrams and the Bradley, so they can remain in the fleet for at least 20 more years.

The Army’s ability to “spiral” technologies out of FCS into Abrams and Bradley depends on “how we attack our electronic obsolescence problems,” Puzzuoli told the TACOM conference. One solution would be to develop a new, less complex electronic architecture in the Abrams and Bradley that is “somewhat compatible” with FCS, he said.

Unless this matter is resolved, he added, “FCS, one day, will suffer electronic obsolescence issues.”

Puzzuoli suggested that one of the more pressing technology needs in the near future will be to equip the Abrams tanks with new or remanufactured engines. The Army had awarded a contract to Honeywell Corp. in 1999 to develop a new turbine engine, the LV100. The plan was to build 1,600 engines to be installed on all Abrams tanks and Crusader artillery vehicles. But the cancellation of Crusader and cutbacks in the Abrams upgrade program drove down the number of engines to fewer than 600. An expected higher price for the LV100 (as a result of a smaller order) and technical problems experienced in the program have prompted the Army to reassess whether it should cancel the project and start over.

“We are currently evaluating the status of that program and where the future lies,” Puzzuoli said.

The current engine, the AGT1500 turbine, is fuel guzzling, has poor reliability and high maintenance costs, he said.

In fiscal year 2004, the Army will need to overhaul more than 1,200 tank engines, a threefold increase over 12 months. The Anniston Army Depot, in Alabama, currently overhauls about 400 engines a year.

The commander of TACOM, Army Maj. Gen. N. Ross Thompson III, said he fears that shortages of key components could severely undermine the depot’s ability to deliver enough engines to meet the Army’s needs in Iraq.

The potential cancellation of the LV100 is not related to the increased need for AGT1500 engines, Thompson said in an interview. “If they don’t continue the program, we’ll have a competition to reengineer and increase the reliability and the durability of the AGT1500.”

Also of immediate need in the field is additional protection for Humvees and other trucks that are not armored. As U.S. forces in Iraq endure continuing attacks by rocket-propelled grenades, mortars and various explosive devices, TACOM officials are rushing to come up with “countermeasures,” such as armor kits.

Ideally, TACOM would like to build more of the up-armored Humvees, but the production line only can assemble 220 per month. The Army has asked for at least 3,500.

Until enough up-armored Humvees can be delivered, TACOM is providing interim alternatives, such as armor kits and a newly designed armor door that can be applied on existing Humvees. The Army’s depots will make 1,000 armor doors for immediate delivery to Iraq, Thompson said.

Armor kits also will be needed for medium and heavy trucks, he said. Future Army rotations in Iraq will see fewer Abrams and Bradleys, and more wheeled vehicles, including the new Stryker.

Upgrading Vehicles

Contractors, meanwhile, await specific direction from the Army on how it will go about transitioning from the current force to the so-called Future Force, equipped with FCS technology.

Much of the technology the Army wants in FCS already exists, experts contend. Vehicle manufacturers are coming forward with unsolicited concepts that aim to prove that.

United Defense LP, for example, recently unveiled a 20-ton armored vehicle equipped with a 120 mm gun that was fired at a shooting range in California, according the UDLP officials. The demonstrator—powered by a hybrid-electric engine—is a modified armored gun that originally was developed in the early 1990s for Army light forces and subsequently was cancelled to fund other programs.

UDLP resurrected one of the six 105 mm prototypes and installed a 120 mm gun designed at the Army’s Watervliet Arsenal.

The company claims that the vehicle is not intended to meet FCS requirements, given that the Army selected General Dynamics as the provider of direct-fire vehicles for FCS. UDLP was designated the supplier for the artillery systems.

In what appears to be a tit-for-tat move, General Dynamics unveiled its own concept for a 20-ton 105 mm howitzer, which would be compatible with the Stryker family. Company officials said the Army has not yet settled on whether the FCS howitzer will be 105 mm or 155 mm, even though UDLP is developing a 155 mm non-line-of-sight cannon for FCS.

As far as FCS requirements are concerned, the Army has been “really vague,” said Dean Lockwood, combat vehicles analyst at Forecast International, a market research firm. For that reason, “contractors are showing what is possible and what is not.”

Lockwood believes that the Army is moving toward a hybrid force of light quick-reaction and heavy armored units. “With FCS, they want something in the middle.” Stryker, he said, is the “first incarnation of FCS. It’s the test-bed and interim program for it.”

Marine Lt. Gen. James Cartwright, of the Joint Staff, called FCS “the most transformational thing that is going on in the Department of Defense.”

Given the uncertainty about future conflicts and geopolitics, “the Army knows its goals are probably ambitious,” Cartwright said in a speech to the Institute for Defense and Government Advancement. The schedule may slip, “but they’ve got the right mindset,” said Cartwright. “They’ve got a heck of a challenge.”


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To: archy
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241 posted on 04/17/2004 2:26:01 PM PDT by Have Ruck - Will Travel
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To: Have Ruck - Will Travel
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242 posted on 04/17/2004 4:15:29 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: ExSoldier; Uncle Jaque; Criminal Number 18F; Squantos; Steel Wolf; Travis McGee; Thunder 6; ...
WEAPONS OF THE WORLD: Marines Want Their .45s Back

April 23, 2004: The U.S. Marine Corps is looking for a new .45 caliber (11.4mm) pistol. While the American military retired the M1911 .45 caliber in 1985, some commando units still prefer it. This is because the 11.4mm (.45 caliber) bullet weighs twice as much as the 9mm one that replaced it and still has an edge in "stopping" someone hit with it. But the 9mm M9 pistol magazine carries 15 rounds, versus seven in the M1911. The commandos (Special Forces, SEALs, marine Force Recon) counter that their operations are the type where every round counts, and the fewer you have to fire the better. For the regular troops, the M9 has been popular, and successful. The 9mm weapon is lighter, has less recoil and has the extra ammo for users who are not sharpshooters.

The marines want to buy 1,100 new .45 caliber pistols and are having a competition to determine which of several models available will get the $1.9 million contract. The marines have been using M1911s rebuilt from the many old ones turned in when everyone switched to the M9. But even this supply is running out, and it is known that there are newer .45 caliber designs out there that are more reliable, lighter, easier to repair and more accurate. Some marines (and other troops) buy these newer .45 caliber weapons with their own money. Most American combat units tolerate troops bringing in some additional weapons, especially pistols. Some troops have been buying 10mm pistols, seeing this as a nice cross between the lighter weight of the M9 (2.55 pounds versus three for the .45) and the greater stopping power of the 11.4mm M1911 bullet. But there are new .45 models that weigh as much as the M9, carry more bullets (10) and are easier to repair than the M1911.

Afghanistan also raised the issue of stopping power once more, when individual troops went into caves or other tight places, where only a pistol could be used. In these cases, every shot counted, and the guy firing larger (like 11.4mm instead of 9mm) bullets was more likely to win. But most troops agree that any arguments over pistols is minor compared to issues involving all the other more frequently used weapons and bits of equipment. Nevertheless, there's something about pistols…

243 posted on 04/23/2004 3:58:50 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
I'll be at the Armor Conference this year and keep you posted on the non-class stuff. UD is pushing the Thunderbolt hard. Since they used the old AGS chassis and installed the hybrid, the engine compartment is empty. They claim they can put 4 infantrymen or anything else into it. They also say the armor is good vs 30mm at level I (base armor) for 360 deg horizontally. This denotes a vehicle expecting to fight where the enemy can get behind it. I'll hopefully see one at the conference.

The 82nd is now accepting tankers into its ranks, so the AGS may be comming back. Since the 82nd wants a tank/armored gun for infantry support, a light vehicle/big gun is a good combo, especially if it can carry grunts.

I too am concerned about the rush on the vehicle and hope it holds up better than the MGS does, but UD was very upset with the whole Stryker "competition" and is trying to beat everyone else out of the light tank area, so maybe this developement includes the right ammount of determination.... I hope.
244 posted on 04/23/2004 6:29:16 PM PDT by M1Tanker (Modern "progressive" liberalism is just NAZIism without the "twisted cross")
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
I own an IMI M-5 BUL 45ACP pistol. Charles Daily now imports them as the Daily M-5, but they are the same. Basically, it's the 1911's barrel and slide matched with a polymer/metal lower receiver. Very tough and reliable. Magazine capacity is 13+1 for those who can get it or just 10+1. So, fully loaded, its a 45 with one round less than a M-9 (Berretta 92-FS). Since the 45 has a higher PK per round, the lack of a 15th (or even 14th) round is not a problem.
245 posted on 04/23/2004 6:41:29 PM PDT by M1Tanker (Modern "progressive" liberalism is just NAZIism without the "twisted cross")
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
How many of those vehicles would survive multiple RPG hits, or take an anti tank mine or a 500 pounder - excuse me, “Improvised Explosive Device”
Anything less would not be acceptable to many, and would still be seen as not protecting the troops.
246 posted on 05/01/2004 6:19:06 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Voice in your head
We didn't think there was any threat from landmines

Way back when VC sappers would actually plant mines in the road between convoys. The first one or two would pass safely, the next would be lax and feeling secure.
It doesn’t take long to plant one.

247 posted on 05/01/2004 6:23:07 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: R. Scott
While I can understand a VC sapper being able to pull off something like that in a heavy vegetation environment, we were dealing with thugs in open terrain. More than likely, some Haji saw a patrol use that same turn-around and he planted the mine at night. So, after that incident, our battalion commander had us guarding that highway 24 hours per day. Unfortunately, our area of responsibility gradually expanded. And, there was not enough information flow between companies, regarding lessons learned. So, when we inherited yet another highway to secure, there were already landmines planted there. When we were relieved of our shift, another company rolled in to pull route security for 3 days, while we recovered. They decided to set up their CP in a big patch of dirt, right next to an overpass. I and my NCOs agreed that this was an awful location and we were calling over the net to anyone who would listen that they should put their CP elsewhere. For whatever reason, we were ignored. The incoming company rolled in to the patch of dirt, which my platoon refused to occupy. 30 seconds later, a HMMWV was destroyed by an antitank mine, a soldier had his feet blown off, and another soldier had his ankle shattered.
248 posted on 05/01/2004 6:40:02 AM PDT by Voice in your head ("The secret of Happiness is Freedom, and the secret of Freedom, Courage." - Thucydides)
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To: Ranger
Your number for "Hummers" produced probably refers to the "H2" model which is built on and around an off the shelf GM SUV chassis.

The H2 is NOT built to MILSPEC and can be produced much faster due to its lighter and not to speak of cheaper base.

It needs to be said again that the HUMVEE was designed and fielded as a replacement to the military version of the jeep and it serves admirably in that role. However the hummer like the jeep was never intended to be a front line attack vehicle. Even the uparmored version was intended for use by military police as a patrol vehicle.

In Viet Nam, M151 jeeps were turned into "Rat Patrol" vehicles which were glamorized in an old TV series based on joint US/SAS operations against the Afrika Corps during WWII. Those vehicles were sompletely soft bodied and depended on rapid movement and shock tactics for survival.

Some versions of the hummer have been produced on the same model but again they are soft bodied for speed and manuverability.

The up armored version of the hummer is an overloaded pig subject to frequent breakdown due to carrying weight at or beyond its design peramaters.
249 posted on 05/01/2004 6:56:08 AM PDT by FRMAG
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To: R. Scott
I don't believe any of them are 500 pounder proof.
250 posted on 05/01/2004 6:58:25 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: R. Scott
The Casspir could probably meet your criteria, except for the 500 pounder
251 posted on 05/01/2004 7:00:50 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: FRMAG
I seem to recall that in that November post the 3000 production figure was GM H1 hummers in October alone. The point was that we weren't directing production resources to the problem. We've since learned that the problem wasn't production capacity at all as had been stated by Zakheim at a November Armed Services Hearing but a lack of or mis-allocation of funds altogether. PRodution capacity for uparmored humvees is about 450-500 per month without new hires or plant modifications. We have raised monthly producton from low double digits per month to about 200 planned in May and 300 by mid summer. So we're soon to approach 60% of capacity up from around 20-40% presuming the money is allocated which at the moment it is not for a sustained production run at this level. We just flat aren't funding the production to capacity.
252 posted on 05/01/2004 7:10:13 AM PDT by Ranger
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
bump
253 posted on 05/01/2004 7:14:49 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Voice in your head
While I can understand a VC sapper being able to pull off something like that in a heavy vegetation environment, …

Not just on jungle trails. Much of this was in well traveled, open area. It doesn’t take long to plant a mine

For whatever reason, we were ignored.

Something I saw far too much of. People trying to take the easy way, ignoring the reality of the situation.
254 posted on 05/01/2004 9:32:08 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
It seems like the troops would be better served on convoy duty to just get an "Executive-protection"-style armored pickup like the one below from IbisTek. The air-conditioning would probably be appreciated by the troops too, as would the internally-aimed .50 cal


255 posted on 05/01/2004 9:49:20 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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To: SauronOfMordor
May 23, 2004: Some American troops in Iraq have found a way to protect themselves from ambush; drive civilian vehicles. SUVs (especially white ones) and pickup trucks are very popular with Iraqi civilians. Some Military Intelligence troops obtained civilian vehicles and used them for patrols and missions. The hummers not only stand out visually, but are noisier than civilian vehicles. Hostile Iraqis can hear, and see, the hummers a long way off, and prepare an ambush. This rarely happened when the troops were driving the SUVs. The Iraqis do not like to get too close when they open fire, so by the time the GI driven SUVs were close enough for Iraqis to see the troops, the vehicles were too close for the Iraqis to attack them. Thus the soldiers in SUVs were attacked much less often than those using hummers.
256 posted on 05/23/2004 12:06:22 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: blanknoone
Having worked with M1114 in Bosnia and worked at the Directorate of Force Development for the Armor Center (the proponent of this program) I can firmly say that it is a foolish project.

The Scandanvians had the right idea with a SISU, the basically have a COTS bus engine, transmission and suspension and build an armor frame to make a wheeled APC...which is what the Army really needs and is trying to turn the humvee into. By the way, the 6X6 SISU, which has an armored machine gun turret has much more space, capacity and versatility, actually costs less than M1114 both to buy and maintain.

I go back a little further than that, having been involved with the first *new five/quarter ton truck* Phase I XM998 evaluation in 1982- the first ones were shipped without trailer pintle hooks, as the vehicles hadn't yet been approved for field testing of that feature yet. The seats on the current vehicles are MUCH improved over those of the first test units....

The SISU makes for a neat little ambulance, and its commonality with cargo truck axles offers a considerable opportunity for inventory buildup and field cannibalizing when necessary. But then too, the Ford M8 *Greyhound* 6x6 armored car of WWII also shared its mogas engine, suspension and 6x6 layout with military cargo trucks of its era, differing mainly in having its powerplant relocated to the rear of the vehicle.

And there are M8s in service in South and Central America with upgraded Diesel mpowerplants and newer armament systems, sources of the ammo for the old M3 and M6 37mm AT guns being pretty well exhausted after 55 years. But the old wagons still soldier on...until something better comes along.


257 posted on 06/20/2006 3:05:54 PM PDT by archy (I am General Tso. This is my Chief of Staff, Colonel Sanders....)
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