New Evidence in Kennedy Killing (Dallas not Mass)

Did anyone see the show on the History Channel about the archiving of the Zapruder film?

On November 22, 1963, Dallas dress manufacturer Abraham Zapruder brought his movie camera to film President John F. Kennedy's motorcade for his grandchildren. As it turned out, Zapruder captured one of the 20th century's most important documents. In 1997, two media companies created a digital replica of the original, which is presented here, along with Zapruder's business associates, photography experts, and National Archives employees, who piece together the history of the crucial 26-second film. TV PG-V

It was very interesting. The most revealing part was that the frames that claim to be the Zapruder film are cropped copies of the original (1/3 to 1/2 screen).

The best part of the film is that the "fatal" blow when Kennedy's head explodes is cleary shown traveling from the side of the limo - grassy knoll area.

The "expanded" version or original version of the film included the trajectory of the bullet which could not be indicated on the cropped photo version.

The HSCA forensic experts (report linked to above) had access to the photographs and x-rays in addition to the autopsy report and drawings.

The HSCA did have the addition of x-rays and photographs. Unfortunately, there were irregularities in the x-rays. The film invoices had been altered and the plates did not always match the invoice. Could have been a clerical error. Problem is - the autopsy already had been initiated before the photographs (as recorded in the FBI and Secret Service records) and x-rays were taken after the autopsy because Kennedy's skull was "falling apart" according to Humes. I have to question that. What value would this have after proceedures were begun?

Also, did you read Humes' testimony for the HSCA? If so, did you notice anything odd? Just wondering - not being provocative.

I would ask you to consider The Head Wound and Dealy Plaza Earwitnessess.

I never gave much weight to 'earwitnesses.' Witnesses are good for generalities but notorious for being erratic on details. Courts don't give much weight to them either - physical evidence trumps.

The head wound is different. Best Evidence gives a straightforward account debunking many conspiracy theorists and chronicling the later interviews, some done by the author. Sometimes the stories change. Why? Well, conspiracy theorists and anti-conspiracy theorists have fun with that one. I tend to favor the immediate after the incident reports. Most protocols require that medical reporting be filled out immediately after any incident or intervention because studies have shown that details can intermix after time (bad news should litigation arise).

Now, debunkers like to claim vagarities in occipital or temporal. They are quite specific. It's why the terms exist. Their descriptions have always sounded to me that the primary wound was in the right occipital bone extending to the occipital-temporal suture and probably damaged the posterior portion of the temporal. I have trouble thinking that any physician would have trouble distinguishing the cerebellum. It is very distinct tissue. Now, I don't have much of a problem with possibility that the cavitation of the bullet could have forced cerebellar tissue up to protrude from the wound. I do have a problem with an occipital wound moving forward into the temporal and enlarging as it did for Humes, twice.

Here is the Warren Commission explanation

Your link seems to agree with my point. It was irregular for the body to be removed from the jurisdiction of the crime scene's coroner.

Question 1: Why take a right turn when the show was over. Driving straight into the plaza directly to the triple underpass is the only logical route to drive for me.

Your pictures won't load but I'm assuming this is the right turn onto Houston St. with the limo driving straight toward the book depository and then the final left turn onto Elm which turned the limo back in the original direction of the overpass. Now, see, this is what is so aggravating because people who haven't been there have no concept of the lay of the land. I'm not particularly jumping on you personally but all the other thousands of folks who spout off their "proof" and "case closed" bs. You asked a question as opposed to others. Here's the simple answer to your question - they had to make the turn because the street becomes one-way at the plaza. It wasn't some conspiracy to turn, they didn't change it to a one-way the night before, it was always a one-way street and still is. How do I know? Because I lived in Dallas at the time and went through there often. I agree and have been saying this for years, Oswald had a much better shot when the limo was coming toward him on Houston. What gets me is him or whoever waiting until the limo turns onto Elm. Elm is a tricky street because it veers off at an angle while going down hill. The shooter at that angle has more obstacles to deal with than from Houston, such as trees, signs, and more people within his line of fire if the shot missed the target. On Houston, the crowd was out of the line of fire, the car isn't travelling at odd angles and is coming straight at the window.

According to Humes's testimony to the HSCA, the autopsy doctors did not catalog the photos and x-ray until almost 3 years later. That could explain the discrepancy's.

Problem is - the autopsy already had been initiated before the photographs (as recorded in the FBI and Secret Service records) and x-rays were taken after the autopsy because Kennedy's skull was "falling apart" according to Humes. I have to question that. What value would this have after proceedures were begun?

Humes testified that the photos and X-rays were taken before the autopsy examination. There is a major discrepancy here, but regardless, unless parts of the skull were physically altered (no evidence of that other than sheer speculation), I find it difficult to believe that the x-rays would still not provide sufficient evidence to determine the location of a bullet entrance hole. And another besides---if the discrepancies are not the result of incompetence, you are postulating a massive alteration of evidence that is not technically possible. And, if I'm not mistaken, all these discrepancies were known to the HSCA forensic panel prior to making their conclusion (that Kennedy was shot from behind).

Also, did you read Humes' testimony for the HSCA? If so, did you notice anything odd? Just wondering - not being provocative.

The reference to 1965 instead of 1963? The delay before preparing the autopsy report? You're more qualified to spot discrepancies in this field than I am, for sure.

It was irregular for the body to be removed from the jurisdiction of the crime scene's coroner.

Yes, it was irregular, but are you pointing to it as evidence of conspiracy to alter evidence of a head shot from the front? From all accounts, it appears that Jackie Kennedy was the driving force in having JFK's body flown to Maryland. If she hadn't insisted that she goes nowhere without the body, it may very well have been left in Dallas. Not a very convenient fact for conspiracy theorists.

Do you think Dr. Humes is a knowing participant in a conspiracy to hide the truth about the assassination?

Link to Humes's testimony before the HSCA

"A bullet is of minute weight in relation to a human body, and despite it's speed has little effect on a moving human body."

However the force with which it hits the human body does provoke reaction ... its called "pounds of knockdown" power. For example, a 230 grain .45 slug hits with 800 lbs of "knockdown" force at 25 ft. You seem all too willing to buy the lone assassin theory, where with the amount of cover up that was done, I believe there was more than just one party involved.

"Simply having a screen name of Colt .45 doesn't make you an expert."

However, having 20 YEARS in military ordnance gives me a slight bit of knowledge more than an amature would have! What's your credentials Slappy?

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