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Bombshell: Kobe Accuser Had Sex with Key Witness
The Globe ^ | 11/20/03 | Globe

Posted on 11/21/2003 11:44:43 AM PST by Smogger

A new bombshell revelation in the Kobe Bryant case threatens to destroy the credibility of the prosecution’s key witness - whose testimony could send the basketball superstar to jail for years. Sources told GLOBE that the 19-year-old woman who has accused Bryant of rape told them she had sex with the prosecution’s star witness Bobby Pietrack - a week before she met Bryant.

Pietrack, a 23-year-old bellhop at the resort where the alleged rape took place, is the first person Katelyn Faber told about her encounter with Bryant. He can testify about her emotional state and physical appearance at the time.

But legal experts tell us that if there was a sexual encounter between Katelyn and the bellhop, it could wreck his credibility and sink the case of the Eagle County, Colo., prosecutor.

For all the details of this blockbuster story, pick up the new issue of GLOBE.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: attackthevictim; co; declineoffr; felonycrank; frsinksverylow; katefaber; kobebryant; lakers; lowlifeposting; nba; rape; rapeshield; saddayforfr; scummingoffr; slimethevictim; smearthevictim; vileattack
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To: nickcarraway
I don't think they care what we think of them. I think they're happy to defend criminals. Might makes right.
481 posted on 11/21/2003 7:33:59 PM PST by aristeides
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To: Darlin'
You, apparently, read the same passage and conclude, a blood bath.

LOL

My comprehension skills are fine and I said "smears" but was corrected that the word was "streaks". And the actual testimony was "excretions", "stains", and "streaks" and I took pains to say I was NOT saying gallons and so on, so you're understanding of what I said is wrong.

482 posted on 11/21/2003 7:36:02 PM PST by cyncooper ("The evil is in plain sight")
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
If a prostitute is raped, should she be able to report it?

Happens all the time.

Cops usually call it a business dispute.

DA's often file on it anyway.

483 posted on 11/21/2003 7:37:43 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: judywillow
I haven't read the entire thread, so I can't argue for or against what you claim. It could very well be true.... sometimes rape victims don't reveal everything to the investigators and prosecutors in cases where the victims and the perps know each other..mainly cuz the victims are afraid they won't be believed. It happens a lot.. :( I guess the prosecutors who take cases like this really really need to make the victim completely aware that any surprises etc., that the defense drags up could destroy their case...especially if the charges are true.
484 posted on 11/21/2003 7:38:15 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: ArmstedFragg
Ugggh..I hope the cops don't call it that.
485 posted on 11/21/2003 7:39:35 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: Charles Henrickson
The legal term in my post was properly applied: victim/defendant.
486 posted on 11/21/2003 7:40:22 PM PST by marajade
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To: aristeides
"I don't think they care what we think of them. I think they're happy to defend criminals. Might makes right.
"

Truer words were never spoken.

Goodnight, everyone, happy fighting!
(p.s. sorry if I make no more sense!)
487 posted on 11/21/2003 7:41:30 PM PST by proud American in Canada ("We are a peaceful people. Yet we are not a fragile people.")
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To: dirtboy
"Next, that evidence should be corroborated with other evidence. So far, the opposite has happened."

It was just the prelim. The trial comes next. Come on, give me a break. I know how the court system works.


488 posted on 11/21/2003 7:41:48 PM PST by marajade
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To: Charles Henrickson; marajade
Actually the victim is a witness..and the state is the plaintiff. :)
489 posted on 11/21/2003 7:42:12 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: P-Marlowe
After all, that is evidence of her sexual history prior to the alleged rape, isn't it?

I never said any evidence should be excluded. Ironically, Bryant may be the one who wants the evidence excluded. If they can prove that she met a man, and they had consensual intercourse, such that she was roughed up, in a very short span, then you've got something. If they prove that she is promiscous, but the sex doesn't leave her roughed up, then her history works against Kobe.

490 posted on 11/21/2003 7:44:02 PM PST by nickcarraway (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Smogger
"What fresh slut hell is this?
491 posted on 11/21/2003 7:46:32 PM PST by 185JHP ( Is a Deanbacle what they're gonna get?)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Ugggh..I hope the cops don't call it that.

Oh my, yes.

And your surmise about how prosecutors deal with "iffy" cases is correct. If the witness is going to "flake out", the case is going to go south, so there's usually an effort make sure the witness knows what she's about to face at trial and to be sure she wants to go through with it. This is sometimes interpreted as an effort to discourage the witness, but it's really just exposing her to reality and making sure the people's money will be well spent.

With cases with slam-dunk facts, (public, injured, multiple witnesses, etc.) it's a different story.

492 posted on 11/21/2003 7:50:05 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: najida
WHY is this a crime where the victim has to prove innocence.

Why is this a crime where the defendant has prove innocence?

493 posted on 11/21/2003 7:51:03 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: ArmstedFragg
Well, I don't think your comparison is perfect either. The woman had injuries more sever than would just occur from intercourse. Bryant would have to show that she had such injuries in intercourse often. Otherwise, it might work against him, because there is more evidence of force than in her other sexual encounters.
494 posted on 11/21/2003 7:56:43 PM PST by nickcarraway (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: nickcarraway
If someone had consensual sex on a certain occasion that does not prove or disprove that they consented to sex on another occasion, does it?

It does if the prosecution is using blood from the victim to help prove his case.IE when, and who, might have caused the injuries. Might the activity opened a previous wound? We are talking one or two centimeters.!

I am not a Kobe Bryant fan, I am just following the case. Rape has been defined as a crime of violence by psycologists. Blood from a one centimeter wound imho is not violence. I realize that terror is a form of violence, but when she said no, Kobe stopped(it is in the testimony)and there was no DNA, no bolting out the door and a call to 911, no police report until the next day. I know there is rebuttle to these arguments, that is why there is a trial.

495 posted on 11/21/2003 7:56:43 PM PST by woodyinscc
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
I guess the prosecutors who take cases like this really really need to make the victim completely aware that any surprises etc., that the defense drags up could destroy their case...especially if the charges are true.

I don't see that (the charges being true) as a possibility in this one.

496 posted on 11/21/2003 8:00:04 PM PST by judywillow (the supposed Kr)
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To: cyncooper
Are you saying unless the exact phrase "visible to the naked eye" is used, it's not? That defies common sense and logic.

No, I am saying that in #115 YOU said: "And the record shows (I'm not claiming firsthand knowledge--just the record) that the blood on his shirt was "smears" and plainly visible to the naked eye."

Now where does it say that in the transcript? That's what you've been saying for weeks, and I'd just like to see it myself.

I understand that when the testimony is "The nurse observed", or the detective, when speaking of the shirt says "you can definitely see it" to mean one can see it.

That may be how you understand it -- or want to understand it -- but that is NOT the testimony.

As to he implies he saw it when he first testified until Mackey cleared it up, that's not the way the testimony reads from the link I provided giving his direct.

In fact, the link that you provided is ONLY for the Direct Examination and not the Cross where he admitted only after Mackey pressed him that didn't see the smear.

Frankly, I am at a loss at to why you insist that all this blood -- you know, "as much as she bled" -- was visible to the naked eye, as it's nowhere in the testimony. The nurse didn't say she saw it with HER EYES; and the judge plainly says two photographs were admitted into evidence and both were magnified!

Since it's fine with you to assume, I can assume that if it had been visible to the naked eye, they would have admitted a picture of it into evidence. At the very least, the detective would have said he saw blood smears with his own eyes.

497 posted on 11/21/2003 8:05:38 PM PST by Howlin
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To: cyncooper
People are free to comprehend or not, as they wish, from there.

They sure are. And anybody who can read can see that in neither the transcript nor the judge's ruling does it say anybody saw the "blood," either on the shirt or on her, with their naked eye.

498 posted on 11/21/2003 8:07:05 PM PST by Howlin
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To: nickcarraway
The woman had injuries more sever than would just occur from intercourse.

Ah, but....

They're alleged to have happened during intercourse. That's the prosecution's case. Note that there is no other anatomical evidence of force. The question then becomes, which intercourse?

499 posted on 11/21/2003 8:10:00 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: Howlin
One thing is for sure, us "trial junkies" are sure going to have a lot to watch this winter, eh? :-)

I haven't heard anything about it being televised, have I missed that bit of info ? Just curious...

500 posted on 11/21/2003 8:10:39 PM PST by DreamWeaver
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