Who drew this picture? Somebody looking at a pile of bones and guessing the creature had feathers? Or was it Fred Flintstone. VadeRetro, you are correct - it is a funny world.
Posted on 11/19/2003 10:15:28 AM PST by yonif
Medical student John David Johannessen and the leader of the Christian Medical Students Circle have petitioned the medical faculty at the University of Oslo for lectures "that not only argue the cause for evolution, but also the evidence against", student newspaper Universitas reports.
"The theory of evolution doesn't stand up and does not present enough convincing facts. It is one theory among many, but in education it is discussed as if it is accepted by everyone," Johannessen said.
Johannessen is a believer in creationism, based on the biblical account.
"Of course one has to know the theory of evolution, it is after all part of the curriculum. But certain lecturers demand that one believe it as well. Then it becomes a question of faith and not subject," Johannessen said.
Johannessen told the newspaper that he and his fellows are often compared to American extremists. Besides not being taken seriously or being able to debate the topic relevantly, Johannessen said that 'evolutionists' practically harass those who do not agree with them.
Dean Per Brodal said it was regrettable if any university staff were disparaging to creationists, but that there was no reason to complain about a lack of relevant evidence. Brodal also felt that evolution had a rather minor spot in medical education.
Biology professor Nils Christian Stenseth argued that instead of indulging an 'off-topic' debate the medical faculty should offer a course in fundamental evolutionary biology, saying that nothing in biology could be understood out of an evolutionary context.
The Christian Medical Students Circle want three basic points to be included in the curriculum:
1 According to the theory of evolution a mutation must be immediately beneficial to survive through selection. But many phenomena explained by evolution (for example the eye) involve so many, small immediately detrimental mutations that only give a long-term beneficial effect.
2 There is no fossil evidence to indicate transitional forms between, for example, fish and land animals or apes and humans.
3 Evolution assumes too many extremely improbably events occurring over too short a span of time.
Unless you can prove Biblical creation is a myth, your statement is also mythology.
What exactly is your point?
If you're lost, my work is done for a while. Dinner time.
Who drew this picture? Somebody looking at a pile of bones and guessing the creature had feathers? Or was it Fred Flintstone. VadeRetro, you are correct - it is a funny world.
I am not lost - I have no idea what you are trying to say and it has nothing to do with anything I have said.
How dumb do you want to play - the one above it does not seem to be a drawing. It is a picture of fossils and not somebody's dream of what a dinosaur might look like.
Everything looks like a colon when one's head is up one's...
When one is closed minded or prejudice, everything usually looks just the way they want it to.
(I am guessing you want to play the slogan game now)
Indeed it does not. My point. It is not a drawing. But let's go back to your response to 460:
Who drew this picture? Somebody looking at a pile of bones and guessing the creature had feathers?
Guessing? Nine minutes after I post, you're inviting people to believe that any feathers in the artist's rendition are a guess.
Now, in the post to which you make your incredibly reasoned and thought-out response, there is a link to the source. Anyone who clicked on that might well have found himself looking at the following pictures among others.
Who drew those? I mean, you could have taken a tiny smidgeon of care to find out if there was a good basis for saying "feathers" if you had the wit and the integrity to want to know. It was clearly more important to get a naysaying response out there fast. "Another funny drawing from the VAST EVOLUTIONIST CONSPIRACY."
Also, in your nine minutes of careful thought and composition it might have occurred to you to realize that the presence or absence of the feathers on the universally agreed taxonomic dromaeosaur don't matter that much, at least not to my point. It's still a dinosaur with practically the same skeleton as something the creationists secular evolution skeptics dismiss as "A bird! Just a bird!"
The first failure reveals a militantly willful level of ignorance. The second, a similar sort of stupidity.
I try to imagine what a truly secular skeptic of evolution would be like in debate. It seems extremely unlikely that such would be an ICR/AiG/(Your favorite YECcie org here) seminar graduate in every way except for not acknowledging his material.
C'mon! Where's that old secular skepticism?
I was under the impression you don't accept common descent, as it violates separate, special creation is only a theory or something. Anyway, that is what I was discussing with Abe when you jumped in to complain that all I had posted was insults and rhetoric. (Another ridiculous claim.)
He shoots! He misses!
"Shouldn't any two dinosaurs at all be more related to each other than any dinosaur and any bird?"
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It's called the religion of ATHEISM. If it is okay to teach the THEORY of evolution-atheism, it should also be okay to teach the FACTS of creationism.
BTW, until a little over a year ago (when I saw a lecture by Ken Ham) (http://www.answersingenesis.org), I did not believe in a "6 day" creation. However, after having seen Ken Ham's "6 day" argument twice, and after having watched several of the DVDs from an AIG conference (available online I think), I am now 100% CONVINCED about the "6 day" creation. Ken Ham's "6 day" arguments are VERY convincing!
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I AM RESPONDING:
Actually, it requires MORE faith! Check out http://www.answersingenesis.org .
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