Posted on 11/19/2003 10:15:28 AM PST by yonif
Medical student John David Johannessen and the leader of the Christian Medical Students Circle have petitioned the medical faculty at the University of Oslo for lectures "that not only argue the cause for evolution, but also the evidence against", student newspaper Universitas reports.
"The theory of evolution doesn't stand up and does not present enough convincing facts. It is one theory among many, but in education it is discussed as if it is accepted by everyone," Johannessen said.
Johannessen is a believer in creationism, based on the biblical account.
"Of course one has to know the theory of evolution, it is after all part of the curriculum. But certain lecturers demand that one believe it as well. Then it becomes a question of faith and not subject," Johannessen said.
Johannessen told the newspaper that he and his fellows are often compared to American extremists. Besides not being taken seriously or being able to debate the topic relevantly, Johannessen said that 'evolutionists' practically harass those who do not agree with them.
Dean Per Brodal said it was regrettable if any university staff were disparaging to creationists, but that there was no reason to complain about a lack of relevant evidence. Brodal also felt that evolution had a rather minor spot in medical education.
Biology professor Nils Christian Stenseth argued that instead of indulging an 'off-topic' debate the medical faculty should offer a course in fundamental evolutionary biology, saying that nothing in biology could be understood out of an evolutionary context.
The Christian Medical Students Circle want three basic points to be included in the curriculum:
1 According to the theory of evolution a mutation must be immediately beneficial to survive through selection. But many phenomena explained by evolution (for example the eye) involve so many, small immediately detrimental mutations that only give a long-term beneficial effect.
2 There is no fossil evidence to indicate transitional forms between, for example, fish and land animals or apes and humans.
3 Evolution assumes too many extremely improbably events occurring over too short a span of time.
You mean "primitive insectivores to primates." How is that an answer to "Please let me know what of the information I have already linkied you are discarding and why?"
I'll recap for you since you're having trouble following along. Back in post 72 I linked this as an answer to Abe swearing that there simply are no transitional fossils. You are the delightfully perceptive fellow who simply repeated the claim later on with no nod to previous conversation. You wish the material thus put up could be dismissed. Daring me to repeat some or all of it does not make anything go away. If you wish to contend that something therein is not real, please cite specifics and show your work.
BTW, the primate ancestry forms a section of the transitional vertebrate fossils already provided. Have at.
That any given fossil was ever alive is only theory, of course.
You mean that Genesis doesn't say God makes craters.
That doesn't prove anything, and it certainly doesn't prove that craters are the result of naturalistic processes, since all you've shown is that intelligent agents can make craters. Which is strong testimony in favor of the "intelligent cratering" theory, obviously. You simply don't like the idea that a creator is watching over you, and that your actions have consequences beyond the here and now, with your hedonistic, amoral lifestyle, and so you are compelled to deny the basic and obvious truth - that your naturalism is a dead-end, spiritually and philosophically.
I must warn you - this sort of godless materialism leads inevitably to communism, abortion, gay marriage, mismatched socks, and lost car keys. I urge you to reconsider your support for this abomination, in light of the consequences, and expecially when the real answer is right in front of your eyes. Craters are not the result of random forces such as the proposed "meteors" - craters are formed in situ by an intelligent designer. It's the only honest alternative.
Nope. And that prestigious Discovery Institute at the forefront of that secular movement within science known as ID--Talk about "you can't call me a creationist" creationism!--is as bad as anything going. I've been over enough of their garbage to know.
At last, an honest man! One who fairly deals with the evidence, and the clear lack thereof. How could a macro-crater form? Isn't the so-called "meteor" crater irreducibly complex? Observe! You have the central depression, the outer ridges, the rim, the "debris field," the errosion ... how could all of these features have flown together by purely random events? The odds against that are at least 1720 to one. You just can't have one of these things forming without the others. If ever there was an undeniable example of design, right in front of our faces, the so-called "meteor" crater is it.
Gould is not a creationist.
From 2000 Years of Disbelief : Famous People With the Courage to Doubt:
"The fundamentalists, by 'knowing' the answers before they start (examining evolution), and then forcing nature into their straitjacket of their discredited preconceptions, lie outside the domain of science--or of any honest intellectual inquiry."
Oh, you lost soul! God created the heavens and the earth. Complete with craters, obviously. It is written! It is true! There was no subsequent "crater creation" event. It all happened in six days. The earth was made complete, in every detail. Craterism is a flagrant attempt to undermine our faith!
But honest scientists know better, so I urge all freepers to get involved and make sure that their local school boards are aware of the problems inherent within craterism, so that honest and open discussion of all theories of craters can be a part of the curriculum. The materialists have had a monopoly on science classrooms long enough, my friend.
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