Bush vows to defeat terror threat (Bush Speech historic and Excellent. UN is on notice)

BBC ^ | 11/19/03 | BBC

[sprunged]

Amen!

[Quix]

Putting the UN on notice

. . . . COULD . . . .

end up increasing the permission/orders from the globalists to the terrorists to take him out.

PRAYERS IN ORDER.

Please consider this prayer alert at:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1025329/posts?page=9

[Paleo Conservative]

We live in a world of The Clash of Civilizations not The End of History much less The Olive and Lexus.

I never could understand the idea of being at The End of History.

[JohnGalt]

I have always appreciated your candor, and glad to see we agree with that this speech was Globaloney.

What began as a conservative foreign policy is now a leftwing policy, just as many of us predicted in our principled stance against the adventure.

So, now what?

[Republic]

GWB's historic UK speech today -- "We did not charge hundreds of miles into the heart of Iraq and pay a bitter cost of casualties and liberate 25 million people only to retreat before a band of thugs and assassins.

And that, was my favorite line in that speech! YOU GO GW! Ya made us so proud and you and Tony Blair have made, through the ulitmate sacrifice of the precious combined miltary troops, our world a stronger and safer place.

[rmlew]

We we try to pick up the peices from Bush's erratic policy?

[JohnGalt]

It looks like the D's are picking up the nation building commitement, "the war was wrong, but now that its over, we are obligated to rebuild," but it's tough to believe Bush can get to the Left of the D's with this Globaloney 'stuff.'

Lets give it another month; maybe this was just Nov posturing to select audiences.

BTW, you realize Orwell, a man who picked up a gun for the Reds, recanted the substance of your tagline?

I appreciate the irony of seeing an ideological opposite use the line as it proves my point, but hey, we are working on consensus here.

[rmlew]

It looks like the D's are picking up the nation building commitement, "the war was wrong, but now that its over, we are obligated to rebuild," but it's tough to believe Bush can get to the Left of the D's with this Globaloney 'stuff.'
Having invaded Iraq, we now have a responsibilityy to it. That is not a leftist arguement, but a political reality.

Regarding my tagline, it is based on "Notes on Nationalism" which Orwell wrote in the 1940's, when he was an anti-communist.
I would like to see a source for the claim that Orwell recanted a statement that is true on the face of it.

[JohnGalt]

Try to follow me here, I was giving the political rhetoric you will hear from the D's, and you proved my point for how difficult it will be for Bush to communicate a different strategy.

The challenge would be to find an alternative way to frame the argument that pleases the Right. That is the nature of figuring out political alliances. I am already concerned that on this point alone, you would lean 'left' (or towards the Ds anyway) rather than to the Right on a 'bring the boys home' phraseology.

I provided a link to the story of his recantation, but you are incorrect, he wrote it as an anti-fascist not an anti-Communist. Orwell only recanted picking up a gun for the the Stalin backed Reds in the Spanish American War in the late 40s.

But here, read Orwell in his own words on your line there.

Like I said, I love the irony.

[rmlew]

Thank you for the link. I had never seen Orwell/Blair's article, "As I please."

I do think that there are weaknesses in Orwell's argument.
Trotskyites were always anti-Fascist. They were anti-Fascist in the early 1930's, during the Spanish Civil war (even as the Stalinists were killing members of PUM), and during the Nazi-Soviet de fact alliance.
On the other hand the British peaceniks always helped Hitler. They kept the UK from re-arming, formented opposition to action in the Commonwealth, and promoted strikes that would have crippled the war effort.
Frankly, Orwell's disestablishmentarian opposition to propoganda and ideology fueled a weak argument in this case.

I like Orwell. I beleieve that "1984" and his works on language should be requirements for all students of politics. However, I do not always agree with Eric Blair.

PS. You certainly take a position at odds with the Objectivist Establishment.

[JohnGalt]

I had no idea JohnGalt would carry such ideological baggage when I grabbed the handle in '98, but I was 24 at the time. Not an objectivist, just a run of the mill radical localists who likes anti-heros in American lit.

The Brit's rearmed at 20% GNP in the 1930s compared to the German 15-17% GNP. The British Right of the time saw peace with Germany as the only way to maintain the Empire, and Churchill rather proved the me correct. The Brit's basically were in an untenable position during the 1930's and thus their writers were naturally prone to excessive contradictions.

Most say the only reason Orwell dropped his Red sympathies was over a conservative women.

I much prefer Tolkien and CS Lewis as the conservative voices of end of Empire England but Orwell is one of those leftists, like Hemingway, that must be read.