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Troops install cagelike armor to fend off attacks
The News Tribune - Tacoma, WA ^ | Wednesday, November 19, 2003 | MICHAEL GILBERT

Posted on 11/19/2003 5:11:35 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4

CAMP UDAIRI, Kuwait - Pfc. Gerard Minnitto normally packs a light machine gun, but these days the Stryker brigade infantryman from Tacoma is turning a wrench.

He's among the soldiers and General Dynamics contractors working around the clock to bolt slat armor onto the brigade's fleet of more than 300 Strykers before they move up into Iraq.

The armor - each looking like a great green cage - is meant to protect the $2 million vehicles and the soldiers inside from rocket-propelled grenades. The inexpensive shoulder-fired RPGs are ubiquitous in Iraq and have killed dozens of U.S. troops.

Naturally, Minnitto and his buddies hope the awkward-looking steel contraptions will do the trick, absorbing the worst of the RPGs like a catcher's mask does a baseball. They're optimistic, although a bit skeptical.

And when you get right down to it, there's only one way to find out for sure.

"When I see the first time an RPG hits it," the Mount Tahoma High School graduate said, "then I'll know whether it works."

The idea behind the cage armor goes back at least to his days in Vietnam, said John Funk, the General Dynamics logistics support manager. Troops in that war improvised with chicken wire and other means to counter the RPG threat.

The idea is to detonate the grenade away from the vehicle and prevent its hot chemical reaction from boring through and causing burns, shock and shrapnel wounds.

The Army is working with General Dynamics, the Stryker manufacturer, on a kind of plate armor that will defeat RPGs. But that's not due until the Army develops the third of its six planned Stryker brigades in 2005.

The Army and the contractor have been working on the interim slat armor solution for about nine months, said Maj. Todd Thomas from the Stryker program management office at the U.S. Army Tank and Automotive Command in Warren, Mich.

Thomas has deployed to Kuwait with the brigade and will go north with it to Iraq, where he will work out of a repair and maintenance yard.

So will about 50 of the 100 or so General Dynamics mechanics who are working with about 50 Stryker soldiers to prepare the vehicles for combat duty. For now, they're set up in two new "sprung shelters" - big bubble hangars with room to comfortably fit eight Strykers each.

The work, which began last week, ought to take about 14 days, Thomas said. He doesn't know how much the additional armor cost to develop and install.

The soldiers are mostly infantrymen like Minnitto, temporarily assigned to the slat armor detail.

"It sounds good to me," said Pfc. Gabriel Deroo, a light machine gunner from Paw Paw, Mich. "I mean, any extra armor is good."

Spc. Rod "Buster" Potter, a Stryker vehicle commander from Caldwell, Idaho, said he gets the concept behind the armor. But he said he'd feel better if he'd seen a live test demonstration or a video of the slats in action.

Thomas said the armor has been tested.

"They did test it, and it did very well in testing," he said. "We have a high sense of confidence."

The extra armor weighs about 5,200 pounds, [emphasis Cannoneer No. 4's] about 3,000 pounds lighter than the add-on anti-RPG armor that's under development for later Stryker brigades, said Howard Warner, another official with the General Dynamics logistics support team.

Soldiers said they figure the heavy armor cages, sticking a foot and a half off the front, rear and sides, may cut into the Stryker's speed and maneuverability.

But they recounted an incident from their last training exercise before they left Fort Lewis in which a Stryker hit a ditch and was saved from rolling over by the bulky slat cage.

And while some think the cage is ugly, Potter said he thinks it might help discourage adversaries in Iraq.

"I think it looks intimidating," he said.

Ugly. Intimidating. Whatever.

"I don't care what it looks like," said Pvt. Joshua Blankenship, "as long as it keeps us safe."

Michael Gilbert: mjgilbert41@yahoo.com

(Published 12:01AM, November 19th, 2003)


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Washington; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 3rdbrigade2id; iraq; rpg; sbct; stryker; stynker; wheeledarmor; wheelies
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To: xzins
From the article

"hot chemical reaction from boring through ..."

No, that would be a physical reaction.

No matter the measure, there will be a counter-measure. Basic fire and manuveur still applies.

Not sure this is a very good measure, especially since it doesn't seem to offer real advantage over a Kevlar-skinned HUMVEE.
61 posted on 11/19/2003 12:11:36 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Blueflag
These things sound pretty thin-skinned.

Wonder how much this grand idea cost. They were killing us with RPGs in Vietnam and Panama. You'd think they'd build something that at least could defeat that cheap, very common weapon.
62 posted on 11/19/2003 12:18:58 PM PST by xzins (Proud to be Army!)
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To: R. Scott
I saw Untouchable at Fort MacPherson in June of 2002 with a buddy of mine who used to be an MP PLT SGT running V-100's and gun jeeps on HWY 19 and Mang Yang Pass.

Strykers would make decent gun trucks if you cut the top off them and mounted M-240's on the corners, with shields, and a 30mm up front, and took off all armor above above the 7.62x39mm level. That would turn that pig into a razorback.

63 posted on 11/19/2003 12:36:35 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (God is not on the side with the biggest battalions. God is on the side with the best shots.)
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To: 91B
Sand bag the floor.
64 posted on 11/19/2003 12:38:57 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (God is not on the side with the biggest battalions. God is on the side with the best shots.)
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To: 91B
Make your Medic track look like it's not a Medic track. Lose the Red Cross. Mount guns. Shoot RPG gunners before they shoot you.
65 posted on 11/19/2003 12:46:10 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (God is not on the side with the biggest battalions. God is on the side with the best shots.)
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To: M1Tanker; A Simple Soldier
Stryker ping
66 posted on 11/19/2003 12:53:42 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (God is not on the side with the biggest battalions. God is on the side with the best shots.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Stryker ping


67 posted on 11/19/2003 12:58:12 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
As I said before, the Styker is a poor idea with many problems, but soldiers will do the impossible to make the vehicles work. They did it in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and Gulf 1 when faced with similar situtations. They will do it here and now.
68 posted on 11/19/2003 1:00:22 PM PST by M1Tanker (Modern "progressive" liberalism is just NAZIism without the "twisted cross")
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
I met a lot of old gun truckers at The Gathering – and every one of them would be glad to go to Iraq, build gun trucks and escort convoys.
I doubt their canes, crutches and walkers would slow them down much.
69 posted on 11/19/2003 1:01:49 PM PST by R. Scott
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To: SLB
In Vietnam we never used chicken wire for RPG screens…

If memory serves, chicken wire was used as a defense against hand grenades, not RPGs.

70 posted on 11/19/2003 1:11:31 PM PST by R. Scott
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
We can certainly sand bag the floor and lose the red crosses, but we can't mount guns-haven't got 'em (besides, shooting the RPG gunners is good advice for anybody). I was hoping for some advice on how to augment the armor.
71 posted on 11/19/2003 1:47:56 PM PST by 91B (NCNG-C/Co 161st ASMB-deployed to theater since April 19th)
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To: R. Scott
LOL

Climbing on and jumping off those trucks is a big reason for the canes, crutches and walkers. Old gun truckers and old tankers have that in common.

I thought gun trucks were field expedients built by Trans Companies so they could protect themselves when no M48's or ACAV's or V-100's were available. If you were setting up a unit specifically for route security and convoy escort, would you choose gun trucks?

72 posted on 11/19/2003 3:06:22 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (God is not on the side with the biggest battalions. God is on the side with the best shots.)
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To: 91B
Supplemental Vehicle armor
73 posted on 11/19/2003 3:18:13 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (God is not on the side with the biggest battalions. God is on the side with the best shots.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Thanks for the link.
74 posted on 11/19/2003 3:35:36 PM PST by 91B (NCNG-C/Co 161st ASMB-deployed to theater since April 19th)
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To: 91B; archy; SLB
but we can't mount guns-haven't got 'em

SCROUNGE!

Medics respond to incidents involving wrecked and destroyed vehicles, right? Evac any machine guns and MK-19's unsecured at the scene along with the casualties. Be creative. Be sneaky. Be acquisitive. If you need it bad enough, there are ways. You're in a war. Get piratical.

They don't necessarily have to be American guns.

76 posted on 11/19/2003 3:56:38 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (God is not on the side with the biggest battalions. God is on the side with the best shots.)
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To: SLB
>>Somewhere in the house I think I have a picture of a screen that had an outgoing 155mm round go through it.

From what!? An M53?

Or did you mean 152mm, from a Sheridan?
77 posted on 11/19/2003 4:04:09 PM PST by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: archy
The bigger MTLB and tank-derived APCs sometimes have fuel drums slung alongside. Interestingly A RPG-7 hit on a 55-gallon drum full of Diesel usually doesnt ignite, though it sure leaks good.

Uh oh! Wait until the EPA hears about THAT!!!!

78 posted on 11/19/2003 4:09:21 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
My Daddy always told me I was an ex-spurt.


You know what they say about experts.

X is for the unknown, and a spurt is a drip under pressure.

Semper Fi
tet68
79 posted on 11/19/2003 4:10:51 PM PST by tet68 ( Patrick Henry ......."Who fears the wrath of cowards?")
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To: Matthew James
We'll have perfect situational awareness by virtue of our superior technological capabilities, and will therefore be able to be where the bullets are not...

When you hear that, you should be heading for the deep bunker.

80 posted on 11/19/2003 4:14:04 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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