Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 19-23

Various | November 18, 2003 | sweetliberty

[sweetliberty]

(Thread 9 - November 19-23) Link back to thread 8 (Nov. 14-18)

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Contained in Thread 8:

Contact info for Judge Greer and the 6th DCA, link to argument between Pat Anderson and Judge Greer, Judge Baird's predetermination of the case, timeline of Terri's case, statutes being violated (also here) in Terri's case, contact information for Bernie McCabe and Jay Wolfson ( link to a better address for Bernie McCabe), super contact list for Florida courts, legislature, Senate and Washington, link to Gov. Bush's amicus curiae brief, Responding to Patients in the Persistent Vegetative State , a Christian parspective, PC93's letter of complaint against Michael Schiavo to demand criminal investigation and more contact information, contact information for the Florida Committee on guardianship, testimony of Jackie Rhodes, interesting article Is Wife-icide Legal In Florida(?), contact information for investigative ops and judicial operations, transcript of the Hannity and Colmes interview with the Schindlers, links to transcripts of other shows on Terri's case, contact information for Fox News shows, address to send Terri's birthday cards and contact information for advocacy center investigating Terri's abuse and neglect.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

INDEX OF TERRI THREADS ON FR

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Latest threads on Terri's Case:

A "Painless" Death?

Was Terri Schiavo Beaten in 1990? (Nat Hentoff)

His Fight to Give Terri Schiavo Communion

Terri's family appeals to Oprah fans

Terri Schiavo's Fight

Court Issues New Stay in Schiavo Case

Judge calls Terri's Law intrusive

Mom kept hope for girl who came out of vegetative state

Hannity & Colmes Tonight - Monday, 11-17-03 - Terri Schindler-Schiavo's Parents

"Terri's Lights" Campaign Raises Awareness of Terri Schiavo's Plight

Catholic Media Coalition Declares November 30, 2003 "Theresa Schindler Schiavo Day"

Terri's dad: 'She's literally been a prisoner'

Husband's attorney seeks end to delays in Schiavo case

Terri's Threads on FreeRepublic.com - 18 Nov 2003 0351 PST

[Ohioan from Florida]

My concern is that the records have been purged. I don't believe for a minute that the forces that are working so hard to kill Terri wouldn't stoop to doctoring the records or "misplacing" portions they didn't want seen.

I agree wholeheartedly with your view. There have been cases over the years where a search warrant has been executed so that the investigators could actually physically go in to doctors' offices and discover the smoking gun files hiding in closets in boxes marked with misleading information. The doctors retained the files, but they were the only ones who knew where the damning files existed, until the search warrants revealed the whereabouts. Hopefully, everything possible is being done to aid the discovery in this investigation. I would never put it past Dr. Victor Gambone or anyone on Michael's team to surreptitiously do away with any vital info about Terri.

[pc93]

I heard that he was a manager of a McDonalds but I do not know what his employ was at the time of Terri's collapse. Would be interesting to know. Also what is this statement abotu McDonalds. Did Michael say this? Have a link?

[Orlando]

MS provided false information(s) to the P.O. on that incident. The medics had a bad feeling,, but case was
not send to the detective unit for further investigation.

It's not the Police Officer fault, everybody makes mistakes..
Remember it was Saturday night, and I wonder if it was the full mooon too?

The light is shining more today on this case...

We got a LOCO as guardian of Terri...and as a Nurse OMG !!
I wonder, if MS lied on his job application as a RN too?

The part that states...

Q.- Have you taken,or ever taken drugs in the past ?
to include med's ?

hmmmmm?, and if he answer yes ? For what ? explain....

The police can now reopen this case, due to the fact(s)
they were lied too, and not provided correct information(s),etc...

The question is..will they ???
We need the FBI..ASAP !!!

[nicmarlo]

On the police report, it states he was the "General Manager" of "Agostino's Ristorante" in Clearwater. See post #517 by Orlando about McDonald's.

[Micavaga]

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-schiavoday2,0,2970278.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-print
(link to where he was working at the time of the collapse)

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/thesunherald/2003/10/27/news/world/7112352.htm
(link to statement about McDonald's, where he worked while they were still in PA)

[nicmarlo]

I need to get offline for awhile.....see you later.

[Orlando]

It looks like the P.O. did ask the question(s) about the 2 medications, and i would think the Medics ask the same ?

MS, stated she was having women problems...

Yeah right ! About his PROBLEMS anybody ever ASK that ??
before ?

[Ohioan from Florida]

Reeve's injuries are the result of a fall from a horse, or maybe thrown by one, I'm almost positive. As for pulling his plug, well, he's just too important to let that happen to. I just wish Terri was just as important in everyone else's eyes. To me, she's all the more precious because she isn't a celebrity.

[Chocolate Rose]

St. Petersburg, Fla. -- If he spoke to his wife one last time, Michael Schiavo does not remember. It was a Saturday night, the busiest of the week at the restaurant he managed in Clearwater, Agostino's Ristorante. It was past midnight by the time he closed the restaurant and came home.....

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-schiavoday2,0,6370070.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-print

[T'wit]

Yeah, they say he fell off a horse. What he was doing to the horse has never been revealed. If he'd only landed on a dense, impenetrable bone like his head, he would have escaped injury.

One more case of snotty liberal elitism. Reeve has less chance of full recovery than Terri (i.e., none) but he's PC and liberal and an actor where she's a nobody. He gets therapy, she gets murdered. The SOB actually wants other people's babies killed for stem cell research to try to cure him. That's so horrible and PC that every leftist on earth will fight to save him.

[KDD]

Schiavo clash is rooted in cash


The dispute between Michael Schiavo and his in-laws began when Bob and Mary Schindler said he owed them money, court records show.

By WILLIAM R. LEVESQUE, Times Staff Writer
Published November 23, 2003

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Valentine's Day, 1993.

Michael Schiavo sat by his brain-damaged wife, Terri, at a Largo nursing home as he studied for college classes. Schiavo had brought two dozen roses not long after a jury in a medical malpractice case awarded the couple about $1-million.

Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, walked in. An argument started. With an exchange of heated words, some involving that money, Schiavo's close relationship with the Schindlers ended.

Today, Schiavo and the Schindlers are combatants in the best known right-to-die case in the nation. They are divided by their hopes of Schiavo's recovery and their beliefs of whether she should live or die. But court records show that the origins of that decade-old dispute involved something far less critical than Schiavo's life.

It involved money.
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/11/23/Tampabay/Schiavo_clash_is_root.shtml

Todays Saint Petersburg Times.

[pc93]

Do you have access to the 1st and 3rd in the series? In the link you provided Michael says he was getting out of bed for some reason and during that process is when he heard "the thud". He doesn't say that he was getting up because of the thud. Hmmm. There are many inconsistencies in his stories. I think it would be interesting to take everything he has ever said about that night, and morning, etc. as well as the testimony of others and piece it all together to find out further where he lies.

[Micavaga]

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-shiavo-gallery,0,7273875.storygallery?coll=ny-nationalnews-print

Has links to all 3 parts and some others

[sweetliberty]

What nerve for Greer to favor Schiavo when HE himself claims the money generates a conflict of interest for both sides. Personally, I don't agree with that. Michael should have shared some of the money with the Schindlers anyway. They were funding many of the expenses AND, as I understand it, even helped with Terri and Michael's support when he was not working or not making enough to support them. They paid many of the medical costs as well. Why shouldn't they have some compensation. In my opinion, it does not constitute a conflict of interests on their part anyway. The very fact that they put so much money into Terri's care (and support for her and Michael previously) was because they love their daughter and want the best for her, as I think any decent parent would. Michael has no such bond with Terri and his actions make it quite obvious that he hasn't had her best interest at heart for quite some time, if he ever did.

[T'wit]

>> Michael says he was getting out of bed for some reason

Yes, I remember that too, and yes, it is definitely inconsistent with being awakened by the noise.

I wonder if this whole sequence happened earlier, when he got home, and she just lay there for an hour or two while he thought up some lies. Is that physically possible, or would she have died?

[Chocolate Rose]

Look who is saying they argued ALL day>

"Scott Schiavo disputes the Schindlers' claims that Terri and Michael were having problems.

But, he said, the couple had been arguing all day on Feb. 25, 1990. Terri collapsed that night.

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/pennsylvania/counties/chester_county/7158769.htm

[T'wit]

That's an opinion piece, not factual reporting. It quotes Felos making the point that it's about money and ends up concurring with Felos that it's about money. Ho-hum. What happened to the following issues: wife beating, attempted strangulation, criminal negligence, attempted murder as many as five times through insulin shock and at least two more times by refusing treatment for Terri's infections, sealing and falsifying critical records containing evidence, lying to police, in court and in depositions, and conflicts of interest in guardianship (Jodi, for one of several)?

I don't think that writer had absorbed the whole picture yet.

[Chocolate Rose]

oops, sorry about that. just read post #518

[nicmarlo]

There are many inconsistencies in his stories.

All along, these 13 years, there have been many.

[nicmarlo]

About his PROBLEMS anybody ever ASK that ??

Not that I know of (of course).