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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 19-23
Various | November 18, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/18/2003 5:41:24 PM PST by sweetliberty

(Thread 9 - November 19-23)
Link back to thread 8 (Nov. 14-18)

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Contained in Thread 8:

Contact info for Judge Greer and the 6th DCA, link to argument between Pat Anderson and Judge Greer, Judge Baird's predetermination of the case, timeline of Terri's case, statutes being violated (also here) in Terri's case, contact information for Bernie McCabe and Jay Wolfson ( link to a better address for Bernie McCabe), super contact list for Florida courts, legislature, Senate and Washington, link to Gov. Bush's amicus curiae brief, Responding to Patients in the Persistent Vegetative State , a Christian parspective, PC93's letter of complaint against Michael Schiavo to demand criminal investigation and more contact information, contact information for the Florida Committee on guardianship, testimony of Jackie Rhodes, interesting article Is Wife-icide Legal In Florida(?), contact information for investigative ops and judicial operations, transcript of the Hannity and Colmes interview with the Schindlers, links to transcripts of other shows on Terri's case, contact information for Fox News shows, address to send Terri's birthday cards and contact information for advocacy center investigating Terri's abuse and neglect.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

INDEX OF TERRI THREADS ON FR

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Latest threads on Terri's Case:

A "Painless" Death?

Was Terri Schiavo Beaten in 1990? (Nat Hentoff)

His Fight to Give Terri Schiavo Communion

Terri's family appeals to Oprah fans

Terri Schiavo's Fight

Court Issues New Stay in Schiavo Case

Judge calls Terri's Law intrusive

Mom kept hope for girl who came out of vegetative state

Hannity & Colmes Tonight - Monday, 11-17-03 - Terri Schindler-Schiavo's Parents

"Terri's Lights" Campaign Raises Awareness of Terri Schiavo's Plight

Catholic Media Coalition Declares November 30, 2003 "Theresa Schindler Schiavo Day"

Terri's dad: 'She's literally been a prisoner'

Husband's attorney seeks end to delays in Schiavo case

Terri's Threads on FreeRepublic.com - 18 Nov 2003 0351 PST



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To: floriduh voter
Has there been even one judge (other than the one that stopped the 2001 dehydration/starvation after 60 hours) who has EVER yet ruled in Terri's favor? It seems that the FL judiciary "hates Terri."
401 posted on 11/22/2003 1:36:21 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: floriduh voter
Oh, I realize there is a delay. Usually by the time I get information in email, it is old news. Sometimes it is something that I have sent out myself a day or 2 earlier.
402 posted on 11/22/2003 1:37:19 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: daylate-dollarshort; GWB and GOP Man; cyn
Proper rehabilitation would have prevented brittle bone disease. Too bad Michael wouldn't get her wheelchair fixed. Neglect is a crime in the State of Florida as a matter of fact.

Instead, Felos gets a hefty fee for trying to kill an innocent woman. His fee should have gotten her up and out of that bed but he wants to kill her. Shame on him. His spiritual litigation is a lot of horse pucky. I can hardly wait for the movie to come out next Halloween.

Felos' ex-wife must have really put him through the ringer for him to turn to death for an avocation. Certainly, when he was a SAO he wasn't OCD about death. The poor man. He needs psychoanalysis asap.

403 posted on 11/22/2003 1:40:56 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org freeper site)
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To: floriduh voter
Maybe Felos' ex-wife can privide insights into him. Has she ever provided an inerview about "Life with Felos"?
404 posted on 11/22/2003 2:01:40 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Dante3
Which ex-wife, the first or the second? I'd like to ask his first wife if she ever heard of Peter Bambakidis while they lived in Greece drinking goat's milk. Ah, what happier times there must have been, before Georgie ever heard his pre-conceived son talk to him! < rolling eyes>
405 posted on 11/22/2003 2:13:52 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: Orlando
Message Board at lower left side.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

http://forums.prospero.com/ti-os/messages/?msg=11135.1

Examples:
Govenor Trying to Stall in Terri Case [8] 3:12pm
Trial by jury sought in Terri's case! [4 new] 9:47am
Question about Terri Schiavo [63 new of 90] 12:24am




406 posted on 11/22/2003 2:17:46 PM PST by Chocolate Rose
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To: tutstar
Try here for Sun Sentinel message board

TALK ABOUT IT
Share your thoughts about the Schiavo case here on our message boards.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-schiavoboard,0,352283.graffitiboard?coll=sfla-news-florida
407 posted on 11/22/2003 2:23:10 PM PST by Chocolate Rose
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To: lakey
I only saw the scan once for that brief moment on LKL, but didn't it look similar to this one: www.igoweb.org/~wms/personal/photos/college/brain.jpg

Note, this is a normal brain scan.
408 posted on 11/22/2003 3:24:55 PM PST by Micavaga
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To: HiTech RedNeck; tutstar
Your femur is your thighbone. It extends from your hip to your knee. A fracture is a crack or a break in a bone.

How does it occur?
Femur fractures, except for stress fractures, are caused by events that involve a lot of force. Because the femur is a very large bone it takes a lot of force to cause a fracture. Examples of accidents that might break the femur are falling from a height or having a high-speed collision, such as while skiing or snowmobiling.

What are the symptoms?
Symptoms of a femur fracture include:

severe pain
swelling and bruising
inability to walk
visible deformity at the site of fracture
the feeling that the bone in your thigh is moving.
When you break your femur, you may lose a lot of blood in the thigh. You may feel numbness, coldness, or tingling in your foot or lower leg if the blood supply to these areas is injured. If you lose a lot of blood, you may go into shock.

How is it treated?
Most femur fractures need to be fixed in surgery. Your leg may be placed in traction in the hospital before surgery is done.

Methods used to fix a femur fracture include surgery to insert:

steel screws
steel plates and steel screws
steel rods, which can be placed down the center of the shaft of the femur.
(Muscles are usually injured in a femur fracture, and your hip and knee commonly become stiff due to the injury and surgery.)
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:MgtoCtg9vY4J:www.medformation.com/mf/crssma.nsf/sma/sma_femurfra_sma.htm+how+does+a+femur+break%3F&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
409 posted on 11/22/2003 4:39:07 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
That's pretty interesting info. I wonder if the knee could become fused during this process.
410 posted on 11/22/2003 4:43:12 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: Micavaga
Well, there's a lot of black area on that one, too. I remember Felos saying that the black area on Terri's was all fluid. I didn't get a great look at it. He held it up for just a few seconds. Anyway, the two don't seem to add up to me.
411 posted on 11/22/2003 4:46:38 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: HiTech RedNeck; tutstar
How do fractures happen?
Bone has tough structure and is normally able to tolerate strong forces, but bones can be fractured if they suffer direct impact or if they are exposed to strong twisting or bending. This can happen as a result of a fall or collision.

The structure of bone
Bone is a living tissue, made up of cells that produce a hard, crystalline compound of mineral salts, mainly calcium phosphate. This gives the bone its strength and hardness. Increasing amounts of these minerals are deposited in bone during childhood and puberty, progressively increasing the density of bone. Maximum bone density is reached when a person is in their 30's.

Osteoporosis
From about middle-age onwards, the bones start to become less dense and more liable to fracture. Osteoporosis is a condition of brittle bones where this process is accelerated. It particularly affects women after the menopause. See the separate BUPA factsheet on osteoporosis.


[From the BUPA factsheet: The bones most likely to break as a result of osteoporosis are the hip, wrist and the vertebrae of the spine.]


Symptoms of a fracture
The most obvious symptom of a fractured bone is pain, especially on movement. There is often swelling and bruising at the site of the fracture. The fractured bone may have an abnormal bent appearance and this may be obvious. It may be impossible to move a fractured part of the body, either as a direct result of the fracture or because of the pain it causes.

Someone who has fractured a bone may be pale and clammy and experience nausea or light-headedness. This may be due to pain. When large bones, such as the pelvis or femur are fractured, there will be internal bleeding from the bone and this can cause similar symptoms.

http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/html/Fractures.html
412 posted on 11/22/2003 4:52:29 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Ohioan from Florida
I don't know; I assume that's a possibility.
413 posted on 11/22/2003 4:54:22 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Chocolate Rose
I was banned, kicked-off that Orlando Sentinel message board last year, I wrote about supporting father rights
,and the military. This got me banned. They kicked-off alot
of fathers, military veterans, pro-bush,pro-god,pro-family
people. They're racist and sexist, and anti-god...

Yes, I know alot about the Orlando Sentinel,as you notice
they write good about MS, Felo$, annd his demons...

evil helping evil....

I like the Sun-Sentinel Talk back message board, I think
that person(man) is M.S, or Felos....or both. They seem
to know alot about the inner dealings , and are providing
information about the way they think....

Which is lies, and deceptions.....

414 posted on 11/22/2003 5:14:47 PM PST by Orlando (Contact the Florida Supreme Court at www.flcourts.org ((Save Terri))
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To: sweetliberty; pc93; Krodg
Sun and Moon Data for One Day

Sunday  25 February 1990    Eastern Standard Time          

                     SUN
Begin civil twilight       6:36 a.m.                 
Sunrise                    6:59 a.m.                 
Sun transit               12:44 p.m.                 
Sunset                     6:29 p.m.                 
End civil twilight         6:52 p.m.       


Police called at 5:40 a.m.
Dispatched:  6:11 a.m.
Police arrive at Schiavo house:  6:33 a.m.
I'm sure you've read this police report, but I thought I'd post it here.

Police report(in pdf):

Writer responded to the above address in reference to paramedics needing assistance on a medical emergency.

...They found a subject in question (Theresa) lying face down and unconscious halfway in and halfway out of a bathroom. She was unresponsive the entire time and was transported to Humana Northside Hospital by Sunstar Medic One ambulance #328...She was found with her head facing east out into a hallway and her feet and legs pointing west on the bathroom floor. He stated she showed no outward signs of violence. The police were called because of her age and because the situation seemed unusual.

Writer found nothing unusual inside the apartment. There were no signs of a struggle or anything that would indiciate a crime had been committed. Various bottles of prescription medication were present in the kitchen; however, only two were prescribed to Theresa.

Writer secured the apartment and brought the keys to the hospital. Writer spoke with Theresa's husband (Michael) who stated he was awakened this morning when he heard a thud. He thought his wife had fallen down and got up to check on her. He found her unconscious on the floor and called paramedics.

Michael stated he doesn't know what could be wrong with Theresa. There haven't been any problems at home which would to her wanting to try suicide and they have had no major arguments lately. She is allergic to certain items but knows what not to ingest. She doesn't have a history of heart disease. She has had recent "female" problems and is seeing her gynecologist on a regular basis. She has been tired lately and not feeling well.

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A physical inspection by writer also revealed no signs of trauma to her head or face.

Writer remained at the hospital for the outcome of the CAT scan. The scan revealed no "mid-line shift" of the brain which would indicate an obvious abnormality. Additional testing is necessary to detect a possible aneurysm or pulmonary embolism.

Writer gave Michael a business card with the offense number. Writer would call for an update of her condition and no further action was taken.


415 posted on 11/22/2003 5:47:05 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo; All
I found this info while searching for links between bulimia and osteoporosis. I have a hunch that if Terri were overweight from childhood through adolescence that the risk of osteoporosis would be lessened. If she didn't develop her bulimia behavior until after she married Michael, then she wouldn't be at as high a risk as those individuals who suffer from bulimia throughout adolescence. This article seems to agree with my theory to a degree.

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:KlpvghkHTPoJ:www.aafp.org/afp/20010801/445.html+osteoporosis+bulimia&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Bulimia Nervosa

Just as the diagnostic criteria for anorexia have been redefined over the years, so too have the criteria for bulimia. The current diagnostic criteria are detailed in Table 2.4 Whereas the prominent features of anorexia are the caloric restriction and resulting underweight, the prominent elements of bulimia are episodes of binge eating (large amounts of food with a lack of control) and the compensatory behaviors that follow, in a patient who is either normal weight or overweight. The compensatory behaviors include self-induced vomiting, abuse of laxatives and diuretics, over-exercise, caloric restriction and abuse of diet pills. Usually the patient suffers painful remorse after the behaviors but is unable to control the impulse to repeat them. The young woman with bulimia characteristically has low self-esteem, is depressed and/or anxious, and has poor impulse control. She typically engages in other risky behaviors, such as substance abuse, unprotected sexual activity, self-mutilation and suicide attempts.

TABLE 2

Diagnostic Criteria for Bulimia Nervosa --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Recurrent episodes of binge eating. An episode of binge eating is characterized by both of the following:

eating, in a discrete period of time (e.g., within any two-hour period), an amount of food that is definitely larger than most people would eat during a similar period of time and under similar circumstances

a sense of lack of control over eating during the episode (e.g., a feeling that one cannot stop eating or control what or how much one is eating)

Recurrent inappropriate compensatory behavior in order to prevent weight gain, such as self-induced vomiting; misuse of laxatives, diuretics, enemas or other medications; fasting; or excessive exercise.

Binge eating and inappropriate compensatory behaviors both occur, on average, at least twice a week for three months.

Self-evaluation is unduly influenced by body shape and weight.

Disturbance does not occur exclusively during episodes of anorexia nervosa.

Specify type:

Purging type: during the current episode of bulimia nervosa, the person has regularly engaged in self-induced vomiting or the misuse of laxatives, diuretics or enemas

Nonpurging type: during the current episode of bulimia nervosa, the person has used other inappropriate compensatory behaviors, such as fasting or excessive exercise, but has not regularly engaged in self-induced vomiting or the misuse of laxatives, diuretics or enemas

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Reprinted with permission from American Psychiatric Association. Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders. 4th ed. Washington, D.C.: American Psychiatric Association, 1994:549-50. Copyright 1994.

While amenorrhea is a diagnostic criterion for anorexia, menstrual irregularity occurs in only about one half of patients with bulimia, probably because these women rarely achieve underweight when irregularity occurs. The mechanism appears to be related to hypothalamic-pituitary function. One study19 that examined body weight as a predictive factor of abnormal menstruation in patients with bulimia concluded that when current weight was less than 85 percent of a patient's past high weight, abnormal 24-hour secretion of LH is likely. This study followed another study20 that suggested decreased pulsatile LH secretion as a factor. Another very small study21 showed elevated levels of free testosterone in patients with bulimia.

The oligomenorrhea in patients with bulimia does not, however, appear to impact their bone mineral density. According to one study22 that compared patients with anorexia, patients with bulimia and matched control patients, bone mineral density in those patients with bulimia was similar to that in the control patients. Interestingly, this study also showed that weight-bearing exercise had a protective effect in patients with bulimia that did not occur in those with anorexia. Therefore, osteoporosis may not be a concern in patients with bulimia, particularly those who exercise regularly.

If menstrual irregularity occurs in the adolescent with bulimia, a limited evaluation is necessary. After completing a careful history and physical examination, the laboratory work-up depends on the particular pattern seen. If significant oligomenorrhea is reported, it may be helpful to obtain the patient's levels of LH and FSH, thyroid-stimulating hormone, prolactin, and total and free testosterone. If androgenization is present, obtaining a dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate level will help to evaluate adrenal function. If a patient has not menstruated in three months or more, a progesterone challenge test (administration of medroxyprogesterone acetate [Provera] in a dosage of 10 mg daily for seven days) would be indicated. A withdrawal bleed two to seven days after treatment indicates sufficient levels of estrogen. In a chronically anovulatory teenaged patient who is not underweight and who has an elevated androgen level and positive results on the progesterone challenge test, one must assume that the patient has chronically circulating unopposed estrogen. In this situation, it is necessary to induce a withdrawal bleed at least every three months to reduce the risk of endometrial cancer later in life. This is done by repeating progesterone administration every three months or by cycling with combined oral contraceptive pills.

416 posted on 11/22/2003 5:52:44 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: nicmarlo
That's it? That's all the investigation that was done?
417 posted on 11/22/2003 5:53:30 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: nicmarlo
There haven't been any problems at home which would to her wanting to try suicide and they have had no major arguments lately.

I guess that depends on the definition of "major", huh?

418 posted on 11/22/2003 5:57:27 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: sweetliberty
Apparently so.
419 posted on 11/22/2003 5:58:24 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: Ohioan from Florida; nicmarlo; msmagoo; lakey; All
Question on another thread for lawyer "types". Ping to post 38. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1027145/posts?page=38#38
420 posted on 11/22/2003 6:05:11 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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