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1 posted on 11/18/2003 4:37:42 PM PST by freedom44
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To: freedom44

This republican condemns it also.
2 posted on 11/18/2003 4:42:34 PM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: freedom44
So the self-avowed Libertarians don't think the good people of South Carolina are able to self-govern themselves, but need far-away elitists telling them what they should or shouldn't be doing. There's no bigger busy-bodies willing to stick their noses into other people's business than the ideologues of the L.P.
3 posted on 11/18/2003 4:43:10 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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Goose Creek police defended their actions, saying they had not "intentionally" pointed guns at school children.

Are we to believe, then, that the cases of guns pointed at centermass or headshots were "accidental" gun pointings? For those who have seen the videos of these events?

4 posted on 11/18/2003 4:43:50 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: freedom44
"libertarians" "drug raid" "criticism of police actions"

you really like to hit hot button issues

6 posted on 11/18/2003 4:46:25 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (You realize, of course, this means war?" B Bunny)
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To: freedom44

In other words, the L.P. would make it a crime to discourage or thwart recreational drug use. Harry Browne has stated that any drug should be available to any adult or any child at any time in any quantity for any reason.

8 posted on 11/18/2003 4:47:41 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: freedom44
Goose Creek police defended their actions, saying they had not "intentionally" pointed guns at school children.

Then every cop that unintentionally pointed his gun should be FIRED and then charged and fined for brandishing, and for being a dumbass who is extremely ignorant of gun safety.

What was it that Claire Wolfe said again?

9 posted on 11/18/2003 4:48:01 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("Today's music ain't got the same soul. I like that old time Rock N Roll" - Bob Seger)
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To: freedom44
Just wondering, do they always do that for NO REASON in that state or was there anything that led them to such a dramatic action.

Was there any statement from them suggesting why this course of action was taken?
14 posted on 11/18/2003 4:54:01 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: freedom44
"Goose Creek police defended their actions, saying they had not intentionally pointed guns at school children."

Some defense. This madness has to end someday, folks, and the sooner the better. My kids are approaching high school age quickly, and I don't want police doing this to my children any more than I would want them to be approached by some punk trying to sell them crack cocaine. I look at it like this: alcohol and cigarettes are both legal for adults and addictive, but gangs don't go around selling it to kids (generally) or getting into shooting wars on the street over those substances... but gangs did just that when alcohol was illegal under Prohibition, & I imagine it would be the same if cigarettes were ever criminalized.

I'm just a concerned parent who thinks drugs are bad, but the war on drugs is a well-intentioned failure, right up there with welfare, social security, and most environMental causes.

15 posted on 11/18/2003 4:54:07 PM PST by Mudcat
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To: freedom44
A commando-style police drug raid

Wow!

Out and out hyperbole and misrepresentation to the third degree!

Wow!

DISTORTING the facts on this scale rivals lying ...


16 posted on 11/18/2003 4:56:55 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Rush speaks on gutless 'Liberalism' (RealAudio files))
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To: freedom44
On November 5, about a dozen police officers and drug-sniffing dogs burst into Stratford High School in Goose Creek, South Carolina. With guns drawn, they wrestled students to the floor and restrained 14 students with plastic handcuffs. No drugs were found and no arrests were made.
LIBERTARARIANS getting only HALF the story right?

TELL me it isn't true!

LET'S review the details of what went on AGAIN:

The Story behind the story - How the truth gets trampled under foot by those rushing to make 'noise'

Police fail to find drugs in Stratford High raid

BY SEANNA ADCOX
Of The Post and Courier Staff

GOOSE CREEK--Reports of drug deals at Stratford High School led to an early-morning police raid this week in which about 15 officers cordoned off the main hallway to search for marijuana. Several drew their guns but did not use force, police said.

Officers did not arrest anyone during the lockdown at 6:40 a.m. Wednesday.

A police dog sniffed residue on 12 book bags but found no drugs, said Lt. Dave Aarons of the Goose Creek Police Department.

"Several officers did unholster their weapons in a tactical law enforcement approach," he said. "There was no force whatsoever. Everyone was very compliant."

Officers charged a ninth-grader Wednesday afternoon with filing a false police report.

The juvenile said an officer shoved her to the ground during the search, Aarons said. Principal George McCrackin said he, other school officials and the girl's parent reviewed video surveillance tapes and determined she wasn't even in that hall at the time.

McCrackin went to Aarons on Monday with suspicions about marijuana exchanges at the school, based on camera recordings and reports from students and teachers.

"Within the last three weeks, there's been an influx of drug activity. I've been in this business for 34 years, and I've never seen the amount of activity we've experienced recently," said McCrackin, who has been principal at the school since it opened in 1983.

Several weeks ago, a student was arrested trying to pass out between 200 and 300 prescription pills, he said. After school ended Friday, one student threatened another and claimed to have a weapon.

"We're not going to tolerate it," McCrackin said. "We have to ensure the health and safety of our students and staff."Aarons said he watched school surveillance tapes from four days that showed students congregating under cameras, periodically walking into a bathroom with different students and coming out moments later.

The suspected group of about 10 students comes to school in early buses. Tapes show a network of lookouts, Aarons and McCrackin said.

"They're pretty knowledgeable in terms of where to stand. They know where the cameras are. If they stand directly under them, the cameras don't look directly down," Aarons said. "Faculty can view the students from other cameras, but from quite a distance away. They see silhouettes."

Fourteen officers and a police dog sealed off the main hallway Wednesday as about 20 administrators and teachers helped steer other students away, Aarons said. There were 107 students who happened to be in the hallway at the time, he added.

Police told the students to sit on the floor and put their hands out, McCrackin said.

Officers searched only book bags that the police dog responded to, not students, he said.

McCrackin said he believes a lookout alerted the group Wednesday morning by cell phone after seeing police arrive.

Later in the day, two other students who fought in the cafeteria during lunch were charged with disturbing school.

One of those received a five-day suspension, while the other received a 10-day suspension and is recommended for expulsion, he said.

About 2,760 students attend Stratford High, the largest school in Berkeley County and among the largest statewide.

Two officers work in the school full-time. The high school in the county's growing southern end has an academic reputation as one of the Lowcountry's best. It received a score of excellent on state report cards released Wednesday.

McCrackin, who has two children at the school, said the problem mostly stems from students who transferred into the school this year from out of state.

"No school is immune, whether it's one of the best or one of the worst. It's anywhere and everywhere," said Harriett Dangerfield, chairwoman of the Berkeley County School Board. "I'm proud we don't deny those things occur. I'm delighted we're being proactive and not reactive, because it is out there."


19 posted on 11/18/2003 5:01:45 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Rush speaks on gutless 'Liberalism' (RealAudio files))
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To: freedom44
Well well well. It would appear that the goobermint schools are good enough to tell your son and daughter that homosexuality is good and fisting is fun but just can't stand it when federal drug laws are upheld.
26 posted on 11/18/2003 5:12:56 PM PST by richtig_faust
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To: freedom44
Goose Creek police defended their actions, saying they had not "intentionally" pointed guns at school children.

This is so typical. The government does something stupid. They stay silent for a while. Then they push back and usually blame the accusers (not in this case). Next step after the pushback - the lawsuits.
30 posted on 11/18/2003 5:18:39 PM PST by microgood (They will all die......most of them.)
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To: freedom44
Is there anything Libertarians don't condemn? They remind me of the immature teenager who can't understand why we have laws and rules and why we have to keep order. I think most Libertarians just have a personality problem. They are consumed with negativity and most are just a**holes.
34 posted on 11/18/2003 5:33:24 PM PST by mrfixit514
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You don't have to be a Libertarian to think that raiding a school with drawn guns is wrong and stupid.

Many libertarians seem to think drugs are OK. I don't. And I don't see any problem with police going into a school to search for drugs, either. But they don't need to go in with drawn guns. That's where almost anyone would draw the line.
36 posted on 11/18/2003 5:55:00 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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WOD Ping
40 posted on 11/18/2003 9:24:01 PM PST by jmc813 (Michael Schiavo is a bigger scumbag than Bill Clinton)
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What a short, uninteresting thread you've got here.
It would appear that the other "usual suspects" showed up very early to quickly get a handle on the situation and direct the thread in the manner in which they desired to see it go...see above.
42 posted on 11/19/2003 12:31:09 AM PST by philman_36
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Count me as a supporter of efforts to crack down on drug sales and use, but as one who also wants to see police departments act responsibly and accountably for their actions.

My bottom line is that to do that, the notion of "sovereign immunity" be scaled back, which would go a long way toward checking impulses to overzealousness and carelessness.

In other words, if department commanders and line cops knew they'd get their financial futures destroyed by aggressive carelessness, they wouldn't go in to a high school with guns drawn.

45 posted on 11/19/2003 5:33:05 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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When I went to school, I was told that the locker was the school's property, and could and would be searched as they deemed appropriate. When did that practice change?
70 posted on 11/20/2003 9:56:54 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Your joy is your sorrow unmasked." --- GIBRAN)
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