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Origins of the Fourth World War
Nyquist ^ | 4-28-2003 | J.R.Nyquist

Posted on 11/15/2003 10:46:11 AM PST by Indie

At least one other communist bloc defector (Jan Sejna) confirmed that Moscow had contemplated collapsing the Warsaw Pact in order to undermine NATO. That made me sit up and take notice. In fact, it got me to thinking about the deeper significance of lying to the world while aiming thousands of nuclear weapons at the United States. Lying is related to killing. It is often a proof of enmity. It undermines peace and destroys relationships. In the end it leads to a harvest of sorrow. I reasoned that Moscow’s deception strategy would succeed up to a point. But lies are always exposed in the end. The only certain effect of the strategy would be to weaken the West and disorient policy. This would open a window for a military attack following a period of subversion, economic sabotage and proxy terrorism. It was my tentative conclusion, after carefully considering the consequences of deception strategy in an age of mass destruction weapons, that by committing themselves to this policy the Kremlin was inadvertently choosing nuclear war. Once the deception was on the brink of exposure, once the evil scheme had run its course, there would be the Devil to pay. Russia would be led, bit by bit, into accepting the logic of a first strike. In fact, Russia's generals were already behind such a scheme. That much was obvious to me in 1987, even before the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Now it is 2003. We can look back and see how things have played out. We can see the newly emerging Russian belligerence. We can see KGB Lt. Col. Putin’s pretended friendship for President Bush and Russia's poorly hidden military alliance with Red China. There can be no question for honest students of current affairs. Things have developed in the direction forecast by Golitsyn, in the direction of a resurgent communist bloc, and everyone can see that military tensions are on the rise.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; Russia
KEYWORDS: conspiracy; origins; tinfoil; wwiv
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To: Jeff Head; Matthew James
I'd sure love to see a history book written in 2020! (I hope we live to read it, and that it's not written in Chinese.)
41 posted on 11/17/2003 9:32:35 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: cardinal4
There's no secret. A treaty was concluded in the open, on 7/16/2001. Is this new news to you?
42 posted on 11/17/2003 2:08:10 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: belmont_mark
I was unaware of this treaty. But hasnt this happened before? In 50's, or maybe the 60's? Didnt Nixons visit to China cause an idealogical rift? I seem to remember something along those lines..
43 posted on 11/17/2003 2:27:58 PM PST by cardinal4 (Hillary and Clark rhymes with Ft Marcy park...)
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To: Travis McGee
I'd sure love to see a history book written in 2020! (I hope we live to read it, and that it's not written in Chinese.)

My guess: a lot of the stuff about China will be speculation, and will revolve around "which side in China's recent civil war threw the first nuke?"

44 posted on 11/17/2003 4:12:03 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: cardinal4
By the book, once the Brezhnev regime were installed, the PRC were publicly labelled "bad communists" by the Kremlin. There was even a small shooting war at their borders in '69. There is a theory that this "rift" was engineered precisely in order to steer the US toward the PRC. Look at the progression - late 60's - early 70's ping pong diplomacy > late 70's - early 80s the initial "opening" > late 80s - present NEP-II and the resulting codependency. Now the West turn a blind eye to the PRC and allow the money we've invested there to blind our geopolitical good sense. All of this could well be a classical dialectic - the Russians being the failed post-Commuinists, with the PRC being the ultimate "positive example" of Krushchev's so called "peaceful coexistance." As JR himself wrote in his book, we play checkers they play chess. Now if Nyquist is deemed too tin foilish to be taken seriously in some quarters, then I recommend reading "While America Sleeps" by Fredrick and Donald Kagan. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. God Bless America.
45 posted on 11/17/2003 4:15:51 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: belmont_mark
There was even a small shooting war at their borders in '69.

"Small?"

There are some NSA types who swear, to this day, that Ivan had to use a couple of tactical nukes to stabilize the situation.

46 posted on 11/17/2003 4:20:20 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Poohbah
Or "Where in China did the Great Pandemic of 200X" first break out?
47 posted on 11/17/2003 4:23:02 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Or "Where in China did the Great Pandemic of 200X" first break out?

With one researcher saying "Hey, it HAD to be Hong Kong, that's where the big ones get going because of their farming techniques," and another saying, "Nope, Shanghai. Why do you think Beijing nuked the place on Day 18? That was the place where it went from a containable problem to a catastrophe."

48 posted on 11/17/2003 4:25:26 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Poohbah
I hope I'm listening to that discussion on short wave, on a sailboat in one of the barely-charted islands between Tahiti and Hawaii.
49 posted on 11/17/2003 4:29:01 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Qwinn
From Moscow to International ANSWER planing sessions in Marin, the evil is still there.
50 posted on 11/17/2003 6:26:15 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: Poohbah
I don't doubt it. Certainly, in a battle taking place in such an empty quarter, it could have happened.
51 posted on 11/18/2003 7:34:37 AM PST by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
I only wish that I could think as well as you type
52 posted on 02/19/2004 7:08:49 PM PST by aquawrench (www.reasons.org)
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To: liberty or death
The stochastically inevitable next war between great powers, coming someday to one or more continents near you.....
53 posted on 02/20/2004 11:41:33 AM PST by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: mikegi
Oh and one more thing, Gorby was a double agent, but Slick? The real McCoy baby! And Shrillery waits in the wings!
54 posted on 02/20/2004 11:44:42 AM PST by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: gcruse
People intent on appeasement also need to live with the consequences. You yourself have written some words criticizing Libertarians for appeasement, and indicated that such appeasement toward the anti Western haters of the USA turned you into a libertarian (with a lower-case "l"). Well?

55 posted on 02/20/2004 11:47:59 AM PST by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: gcruse
Russia demonstrated their enimity directly in backstabbing us vis a vis Iraq. So to did all the other usual suspects. How did we invite any of this? Answer, we didn't. We are the innocents getting mugged here. Can't you see it? It's time to fight back. No more appeasement.
56 posted on 02/20/2004 11:50:56 AM PST by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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