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Boy Scout’s Not a Boy
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Posted on 11/14/2003 10:30:04 AM PST by chance33_98

Boy Scout’s Not a Boy

By MATTHEW ARTZ (11-11-03)

Baily Hopkins is no senior-year slacker. The Berkeley High student plays violin in the Young People’s Symphony Orchestra, will perform in the upcoming student performance of Anything Goes, just finished field hockey season, and next month will lead her Boy Scout crew to Nicaragua. Yep, Boy Scouts.

Needless to say, from the pink headband wrapped around her hair to the pint-size rainbow knot affixed to her uniform, Bailey is not your typical scout.

“I used to be a Girl Scout but that was like, ‘Let’s go learn to sew, let’s go learn to knit,’” she said. “In the Boy Scouts there’s so much more emphasis on the outdoors and sports. It’s the total opposite of Girl Scouts.”

Hopkins is a Venture Scout—a co-ed Boy Scout outfit that organizes into crews, not troops, and focuses on outdoor sports like rock climbing and kayaking.

A friend turned her on to Berkeley’s Crew 24 three years ago, and she’s been hooked ever since she went on a Boy Scout camping trip to New Mexico. “Everything was focused on being rugged and going a few days with the same food and crap floating in your water,” she said adding that she felt fully accepted by her fellow scouts.

The experience as one of five girls in her 12-member crew has meant the world to her, even though it hasn’t made her the coolest kid in school.

“I like being part of an organization of people who enjoy helping the community,” said Bailey, who, along with fellow scouts, helped replant the garden at Cragmont Elementary School. “It’s given me a whole new look on the outdoors. Backpacking was something I did with my family. I was never aware of the connection between the outdoors and my peers.”

Still she doesn’t wear her scout shirt at Berkeley High. “I tell my friends, yeah, I’m a Boy Scout...I really sound like such a dork,” she said glancing at the ceiling of her house. “Some people look down on me. They say, ‘Oh you’re one of those people who don’t like gays.’”

Scouting is rarely “cool” in cosmopolitan areas, but the Boy Scouts took an especially tough beating in Berkeley two years ago when a visiting troop of Japanese Scouts found themselves as cannon fodder in the feud between then Mayor Shirley Dean and Councilmember Kriss Worthington.

The Boy Scouts of America’s policy excluding gays figured prominently in the wrangling that eventually kept the Japanese Scouts from meeting the mayor at city hall.

Hopkins’ crew—along with local Cub Scout Pack 30—are the first to openly reject the ban on gays but remain in the scouting movement.

They are also the first to receive the Rainbow Knot from Scouting for All, a pro-gay group comprised of current Boy Scouts and former members banished for opposing the national organization’s stance on gays.

“Ten years from now I think the scouting world will look back on itself and say, ‘How could we have done this?’” Hopkins said.

“We didn’t just want to stop scouting and be our own little cult,” she added. “We want to do all we can to see that scouting can be available for everyone. If we just said ‘we’re out of here,’ that’s just as bad, because then we’re not helping anyone.”

Hopkins can do more than help; she can lead. Her fellow scouts elected her—a veteran of the 2002 trip to Panama and the best Spanish speaker of the bunch—senior patrol leader of the eight-person contingent from various local scout troops flying to Nicaragua Dec. 30 for the Central American Camporee.

The biannual event draws thousands of scouts from Central American and neighboring countries for a five-day campout, filled with cultural exchanges and opportunities to do charitable work.

Hopkins’ group—which will include one other girl—is the only one from the U.S. that chooses to attend the event.

On her last trip south of the border, Hopkins struggled to communicate with the predominantly Spanish-speaking scouts, but now as an AP Spanish student, she hopes her interactions will be more meaningful.

While language might still be a barrier, gender certainly won’t be. Central American countries don’t have Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts, only Scouts.

“We’re the weird ones who put the guys outdoors and the girls inside,” Hopkins said.

Her fellow scouts are preparing twelve tents to donate to other troops, as well as gifts for street kids in a village they plan to visit. But perhaps most important for Hopkins and her cohorts is to make amends for the skit they performed two years ago in Panama.

Not aware that they’d have to perform or that their skit was supposed to reflect their culture, they took a page out of elementary school and performed Minty Fresh—a skit that had each person line up brush his teeth, spit into a cup, which the last person in line drank from.

When scouts from other countries preceded them to the stage wearing elaborate costumes, dancing to folk songs, the embarrassment set it. “We were thinking, everyone’s just going to think Americans drink spit.”

This year’s skit involves baseball—Nicaragua’s national game—but in an ode to Panama, a spit ball will factor heavily into the production.

If this trip is anything like the trip to Panama, Hopkins can’t wait.

“Last time was a really amazing experience,” she said. “We really got an idea of the culture and the people there.”


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: bsa; catholiclist; coed; venturescouts
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1 posted on 11/14/2003 10:30:05 AM PST by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
I have yet to meet a parent who supports letting gay males take their kids camping, yet I have met a few who said if "other troops wanted to have they leaders it was up to them but that their own kids would not attend that other troop". Therefore, I am inclined to think that maybe the gays should have kids of their own and then form their own gay scout troops - but then I suppose gays will have to find kids somewhere else since they don't reproduce themselves (except by association).
2 posted on 11/14/2003 10:39:54 AM PST by Jumper
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To: Jumper
whhops - that was met to say "other troops wanted to have gay leaders it was up to them but that their own kids would not attend that other troop".
3 posted on 11/14/2003 10:41:04 AM PST by Jumper
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To: Jeff Head
Ping for "Anything" associated with the BSA is good for America !

Stay Safe !

4 posted on 11/14/2003 10:44:42 AM PST by Squantos (Support Mental Health !........or........ I"LL KILL YOU !!!!)
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To: chance33_98
Good for her. My daughter does the Indian Princess thing instead of Brownies for the same reasons -- its camping and outdoors stuff instead of knitting and cooking.
5 posted on 11/14/2003 10:46:42 AM PST by XJarhead
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To: chance33_98
But, technically, she's still NOT A BOY SCOUT, right?
If so, the title is misleading.
6 posted on 11/14/2003 10:53:24 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: chance33_98
Maybe she should move to Alaska if she wants a more outdoorsy experience in the GS
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102798,00.html
7 posted on 11/14/2003 11:04:10 AM PST by netmilsmom ( We are SITCOMs-single income, two kids, oppressive mortgage.)
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To: chance33_98
“Ten years from now I think the scouting world will look back on itself and say, ‘How could we have done this?’” Hopkins said.

That's the problem isn't it? The people and movements out to destroy our society are very patient.

8 posted on 11/14/2003 11:42:29 AM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: chance33_98
She looks like a thirty year old . . . (better not say it).
9 posted on 11/14/2003 11:45:51 AM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: SJSAMPLE
technically, she's still NOT A BOY SCOUT

Depends on how the BSA defines it. If they say any registered member of a chartered group is a "Boy Scout," then she is one. GSUSA says any registered member is a Girl Scout - my husband is one :-).

10 posted on 11/14/2003 11:50:54 AM PST by Tax-chick (Who needs pictures when you can have words?)
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To: chance33_98
I was in the Exlorer Scouts back in 1969-1972. We where the first Post in the Tidewater Councle in S.E. Va that admitted girls. At first they where called "Associate Members" and har to also be a member of a Girls Organization. Eventually, they just became full members.
11 posted on 11/14/2003 12:03:32 PM PST by Jack of Diamonds
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To: chance33_98
"are the first to openly reject the ban on gays but
remain in the scouting movement. "

How does that work?
12 posted on 11/14/2003 12:07:09 PM PST by webstersII
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To: SJSAMPLE
But, technically, she's still NOT A BOY SCOUT, right?

It all depends on what the meaning of "is" is, right?

(sorry, couldn't resist)
13 posted on 11/14/2003 12:14:28 PM PST by polemikos (This Space for Rant)
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To: chance33_98
Hopkins’ crew—along with local Cub Scout Pack 30—are the first to openly reject the ban on gays but remain in the scouting movement.

They are also the first to receive the Rainbow Knot from Scouting for All, a pro-gay group comprised of current Boy Scouts and former members banished for opposing the national organization’s stance on gays.

I wonder if the national organization is aware of their stance on this issue. I believe they can get their charter revoked for that. One thing I'm sure of is that the "Rainbow Knot" is NOT authorized to be warn on the Scout uniform.

Sounds like this Crew, as they are called in the Venturing program, just wants to stick one in the eye of the BSA. They like all the fun and adventurous activities involved, just don't bother them with all of that morality stuff.

I think I'll contact the national office and ask them to review this.

14 posted on 11/14/2003 12:21:38 PM PST by Jotmo
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To: Tax-chick
I hate to split hairs, but she is NOT a Boy Scout any more than a Cub Scout is a Boy Scout; she is a Venturing Scout.

BSA has several different programs, including Tiger Cubs, Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, and Venturing Scouts. The Venturing program is relatively new (about four years) but is somewhat similar to the old co-ed Explorer program (which itself still exists as part of Learning for Life) except that it is entirely outdoors adventure and there are no specific Arts, Computer, Law Enforcement, or Fire Fighting groups.

She doesn't have a "Troop," so the reporter is wrong here, too. She has a "Crew." Cub Scouts have Packs, Boy Scouts have Troops, Sea Scouts have Ships, and Venturing Scouts have Crews.

Ages of participation are 14 to 21.

I've had the experience to work with two regional Vice Presidents of Venturing -- each a young lady in her early college years -- and they were dynamite Scouts and tremendous young ladies. In 2000, when hiking at Philmont, I met a crew comprised entirely of young women Venturing Scouts from Stanford (plus, of course, their two female adult leaders. I'd put them up against any backcountry crew of Scouts!

The whole picture gets confusing when you have to talk about Venture Crews, and the shift of Exploring, etc.

But trust me -- she is a Venturing Scout.

15 posted on 11/14/2003 3:37:43 PM PST by Scoutmaster
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To: Scoutmaster
Sorry, my mistake! The reporter does catch on to the difference between Troops and Crews.
16 posted on 11/14/2003 3:38:22 PM PST by Scoutmaster
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To: Scoutmaster
Okay, thanks for the clarification. But my husband is still a Girl Scout "-).
17 posted on 11/14/2003 4:04:12 PM PST by Tax-chick (Who needs pictures when you can have words?)
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To: BenLurkin
She looks like a thirty year old . . . (better not say it)

A thirty year old what? She looks like a teen age girl to me.

18 posted on 11/14/2003 4:14:16 PM PST by Holly_P
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To: chance33_98; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; ...
Watch your children!
19 posted on 11/14/2003 4:18:08 PM PST by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: narses
Boy Scout’s Not a Boy

Well, we've got altar boys who aren't boys, so why should boy scouts have to be boys?

20 posted on 11/14/2003 7:44:07 PM PST by Dajjal
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