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U.S. Gunship Kills 7 Pro-Saddam Iraqis
Washington Times ^ | Nov. 14, 2003

Posted on 11/14/2003 5:52:56 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl

Nov 14, 7:59 AM EST

U.S. Gunship Kills 7 Pro-Saddam Iraqis



TIKRIT, Iraq (AP) -- A U.S. Apache helicopter killed seven Iraqis believed to be followers of Saddam Hussein who were preparing to launch a rocket attack on an American military base, an official said Friday. U.S. soldiers later found hundreds of rockets and missiles at the insurgents' area.

One other Iraqi was wounded and captured while another escaped after being fired on by the Apache late Thursday in an encampment with bunkers about 20 miles north of Saddam's hometown of Tikrit, said Maj. Josslyn Aberle, spokeswoman of the 4th Infantry Division.

U.S. soldiers later went to the area and discovered more than 600 missiles and rockets in two bunkers and on a flatbed truck, one of three vehicles destroyed by the Apache fire, Aberle said.

The Iraqis were setting up a rocket to be fired toward the U.S. forward operating base called Speicher, about 6 miles to the north, when they were spotted by the Apache, which was on a reconnaissance mission, Aberle said.

Copyright 2003 Associated Press. All rights reserved.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: apache; enemy; goodnews; iraq; killed; militarybases; tikrit

1 posted on 11/14/2003 5:52:56 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: MJY1288; Calpernia; Grampa Dave; anniegetyourgun; Ernest_at_the_Beach; BOBTHENAILER; ...
Enemy was preparing to launch a rocket attack on an American military base...., and more.

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Good job, troops.
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2 posted on 11/14/2003 5:59:44 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ("Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America to be passive. They counted wrong" ~RReagan)
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U.S. Gunship Kills 7, Foils Iraq Attack



Gomez reports American military found missiles and rockets after an attack on suspected insurgents in Iraq.

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- Gunmen killed a U.S. civilian contractor and injured another north of Baghdad, while an Apache helicopter killed seven people suspected of preparing a rocket attack on a U.S. base near Tikrit, the military said Friday.

Unrelenting violence in Iraq has pushed Washington to discuss ways of speeding up the transfer of power to an Iraqi-led government.

A member of Iraq's Governing Council said Friday that the group will study Washington's proposals for a speedier transfer of power but won't necessarily agree with the details.

"For our part, we have our own ideas," said Mahmoud Othman, a Kurdish member of the 24-member body appointed by U.S. administrator L. Paul Bremer four months ago.

Bremer returned to Baghdad after meeting this week with President Bush. Othman said he would likely meet with Governing Council members on Saturday to present details of the policy shift. "We will listen to Bremer and he will listen to us," Othman said.

Meanwhile, attacks continued and U.S. forces kept up their new "get-tough" campaign against the insurgency.

The civilian contractor was killed and another was injured when gunmen attacked a convoy of vehicles Thursday afternoon near Balad, 45 miles north of Baghdad, the military said. The victims were not identified pending notification of relatives.

Private U.S. contractors are working in a wide variety of tasks in Iraq - helping rebuild infrastructure and train Iraqi police and officials, as well as taking military roles, such as guards.

In Baghdad's northwestern neighborhood of Khadra, a roadside bomb blew up Friday as U.S. soldiers tried to defuse it, causing three casualties among the soldiers, a witness said. The witness, Ahmed Mohammed, did not know if the three soldiers were killed or wounded, and the U.S. military had no immediate comment.

U.S. troops blocked the road for about an hour and called through loudspeakers for Iraqis to help them capture those who planted the bomb. They also handed out leaflets offering a $10,000 reward to anybody with information about anti-coalition insurgents.

And near Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit, an Apache helicopter on Friday attacked and killed seven people believed to have been preparing a rocket attack on a U.S. base, the military said. A patrol later found hundreds of rockets and missiles at the site.

In other developments:

- Troops from the 101st Airborne Division also captured 14 "suspected terrorists," including eight who belonged to a Mosul cell whose leader is suspected of plotting to assassinate a top coalition official, the military said. Separately, three suspects were arrested for "conducting attacks on U.S. forces," the military said.

- Gunmen opened fire on jeeps carrying Portuguese journalists in southern Iraq on Friday, wounding a woman reporter in the leg, news reports said. Another reporter went missing.

- In the northern city of Mosul, three soldiers were slightly wounded when an improvised explosive device went off near their convoy Thursday afternoon, the military said.

The Bush administration is proposing elections in the first half of next year and formation of a government before a constitution is written, a senior U.S. official said in Washington. In the past, the administration insisted that Iraqi leaders write a constitution and hold elections before the occupying power begins shifting power to Iraqis.

"The constitutional process will take some time, and we think that during this period the Iraqi people need a basic law, a provisional government and a broader representation in the governing council," Othman said.

Washington's policy shift is widely seen as part of a response to the worsening security situation and the uprising that already has claimed the lives of more than 50 coalition soldiers this month.

Coalition partners were stunned by Wednesday's truck bombing at an Italian installation in Nasiriyah, killing at least 32 people, 18 of them Italians. It was the bloodiest attack on any coalition force since the war began on March 20.

In the wake of the attack, Japan said Thursday it was delaying a decision on sending troops to Iraq, delivering a new setback to U.S. hopes for easing the pressure on its forces.

South Korea also said it would limit its contribution to 3,000 troops and officials said Friday that Seoul has ordered its 464 soldiers in southern Iraq to suspend their operations outside coalition bases. Denmark rejected a push to bolster its 410-member force.

The Nasiriyah attack has raised fears that Iraqi resistance groups were gradually extending their area of operations to include the country's mainly Shiite Muslim southern regions, which have generally been well-disposed toward the U.S.-led coalition. The insurgency, which originated in the "Sunni Triangle" north and west of the capital, has spread in recent weeks to the northern city of Mosul, Iraq's third-largest.

In Washington, Bush expressed resolve to curb the violence against coalition forces.

"We're going to prevail," he said. "We've got a good strategy to deal with these killers."

Faced with a worsening security problem, coalition authorities said Thursday they would close a major bridge over the Tigris River which reopened about two weeks ago for the first time since the city fell in April. But on Friday, the bridge remained opened for traffic.

Copyright 2003 Associated Press. All rights reserved.

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3 posted on 11/14/2003 6:11:41 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ("Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America to be passive. They counted wrong" ~RReagan)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
when they were spotted by the Apache, which was on a reconnaissance mission

There may have been a specific reason for the Apache to be in that specific area. Intelligence of one form or another.

4 posted on 11/14/2003 6:23:26 AM PST by Tom Bombadil
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
U.S. soldiers later went to the area and discovered more than 600 missiles and rockets in two bunkers and on a flatbed truck, one of three vehicles destroyed by the Apache fire, Aberle said.

This sounds like a major find. Were they a pre-war emplacement, or more recent?

The material on the truck suggests either this material was just brought in or the terrorists were preparing to ship it elsewhere. Either way, they just couldn't resist getting a shot in first.

5 posted on 11/14/2003 6:34:54 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump!
6 posted on 11/14/2003 7:09:07 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: jimtorr
I wonder if they are pinpointing the vehicles in the attack with satelite photos.Then rewinding to trace them back to their hideout.
7 posted on 11/14/2003 7:46:35 AM PST by Blessed
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Not only did deposed leader Saddam Hussein try last-minute overtures to avert war (this could get Saddam the nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize by Howard Dean), but now it turns out Saddam never really tried averting war after all. That was last week's double-sourced-checked, unassailable, indisputable media account of what really happened -- and why Bush is such a horrible madman and bloody warmonger and Saddam is not. This week, the word is that the whole Iraq war was Saddam's brilliant plan all along.

"The recent string of high-profile attacks on U.S. and allied forces in Iraq has appeared to be so methodical and well crafted" that this had to be Saddam's plan all along, the Washington Post reports Thursday.

Knowing from the '91 Gulf War they could not defeat the Great Satan even with well-armed conventional forces, "the Baath Party government cached weapons before the Americans invaded this spring and planned to" defeat the Great Satan using even less-well-armed conventional guerrilla forces, through conventional "guerrilla tactics," says the Post. Conventional guerrilla tactics used by these conventional guerrillas include guerrillas blowing themselves up in suicide bombings against dangerous military targets like Red Cross headquarters in Baghdad. And U.N. headquarters in Baghdad. And pregnant women on street corners in Baghdad. These brave guerrillas have taken on even more dangerous targets --- unarmed school children in Baghdad.

Here's the latest final version of Saddam's magnificent plan all along (caution: This final version of Saddam's magnificent plan all along is subject to revisions next week): Pretend you had weapons of mass destruction in order to get invaded, get invaded, get deposed, lose your army, lose every battle, get your butt kicked at Umm Qasr, Basra, Najaf, Al Kut, Karbala, Tikrit, Mosul, Baghdad, etc., lose your 2 darling sons, flee into hiding, don a Burka, get chummy with al-Qaeda (despite never having any links to al-Qaeda -- see Terry McAuliffe), then orchestrate terrorist attacks (despite never having been a terrorist -- see Wesley Clark) all while hopping house-to-house every 2 hours to avoid detection. This plan of Saddam's was so clever, it even envisioned allowing Coalition reconstruction to restore electricity, water and sanitation to prewar levels, renovation of 1,500 schools, reopening of all hospitals and clinics, reopening of all courts, circulation of hundreds of new newspapers (giving Iraqis a taste of press freedom), election of local Councils across Iraq (giving Iraqis a taste of political freedom), unearthing of mass graves, Saddam torture chambers and rape rooms. Saddam's plan, in another brilliant master-stroke, allowed deployment of tens of thousands of Coalition-trained Iraqi police and security forces, restoring order in 90 percent of Iraq.

Despite what you think, all of this is evidence Saddam is making very good progress. All is going according to plan. (Bush critics like Howard Dean and Jacques Chirac might note that this shows Saddam is far smarter than Bush, for Saddam not only brilliantly planned to lose the war, but he planned the postwar as well).

In short, Saddam, even while evading capture, is busy orchestrating the attacks, doing the day-to-day operational planning or direction and resourcing of the effort.

The Washington Post's cites as evidence to back it's new-new-new-new version of Saddam's master plan a U.S. commander, who tells the Post that "there is no evidence that Hussein is orchestrating the attacks. 'He has to move so much that he can't do the day-to-day operational planning or direction and resourcing of the effort."

And "U.S. officials who interrogated former Iraqi deputy prime minister Tariq Aziz and other former Iraqi officials said they found no evidence of such a strategy," the Post admits.

But the absence of any evidence of such a strategy only proves there is such a strategy because, says the Post, "there is no question that enemy attacks on U.S. troops and their foreign and Iraqi allies are increasing in scope, intensity, sophistication and frequency." Oh, and there's this CIA memo which says that patience among the Iraqi people with Coalition efforts to bring the "guerrillas" under control is wearing thin. The memo says that unless Coalition forces bring the "guerrillas" under control, the Iraqi people will stop cooperating with Coalition forces which will make it harder to bring the "guerrillas" under control. Then they'll join the guerrillas! It's all so very clear.

This CIA memo is very trustworthy, says the Post, and we should all be gloomy and defeatist, says the Post, even though "The quality of U.S. intelligence in Iraq has proven to be a major problem in recent months and was criticized in a recent internal Army study," and there's "widespread complaints about the lack of coordination and integration of the data," says the Post. Yes, the quality of CIA intelligence stinks but not the quality of CIA memos leaked to the Post in order to embarrass the President! Those are really, really, really trustworthy.

Not only that, but this CIA memo added that even though Saddam's "guerrillas" were "disorganized by the speed of the U.S. invasion," they "are now regrouping." Yes, the "guerrilla" effort is in the midst of a robust expansion, a solid Recovery, lifting hopes at the Washington Post for a powerful rebound of Quagmire, just like the good ol' days of Vietnam. Guerrilla forecasters at the Post expect solid guerrilla growth and expansion in the coming months, possibly fueled by Bush's tax cuts for the rich. After a halting start, the surge in guerrilla activity proves the Guerrilla Recovery is finally here.

But, alas! it's a Jobless Recovery! Just as guerrilla activity showed promising signs of improvement, U.S. military forces "launched strikes aimed at cracking down on Iraqi (guerrillas)," CNN reports Thursday. Dubbed Operation Iron Hammer, the campaign targeted suspected guerrilla hideouts in "western and southern Baghdad overnight." It's Iron Hammer time! "In southern Baghdad," adds CNN, "an AC-130H Spectre gunship was called in to destroy a warehouse used by Iraqi insurgents to meet and plan attacks against U.S. forces." The strikes dealt a heavy blow to the guerrilla recovery, sparking fear among Democrats that the shrinking guerrilla labor force could trigger a double-dip guerrilla recession. With U.S. forces striking again tonight, using heavy gunships, mortars and artillery on Day 2 of Operation Iron Hammer, the number of discouraged guerrillas who have given up looking for work will likely surge (suddenly staring an AC130H Spectre gunship in the face has a way of doing that).

"Operation Iron Hammer will continue tonight, tomorrow and in the coming days," Reuters quotes Captain David Gercken of the Army's 1st Armored Division as saying. "We're making sure (terrorists) have no place to meet, no place to plan attacks and no place to store weapons. There will be no safe heavens," said Gercken.

For the "guerrillas," with their shrinking labor force, growing unemployment, disappearing paychecks, growing discouragement, shrinking infrastructure, falling income -- if this is a "Recovery," I don't know how much more recovery these guerrillas can stand!

Anyway, that's...
My two cents...
"JohnHuang2"


8 posted on 11/14/2003 8:11:10 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: Blessed
Usually you can't track a single vehicle from satellite. That requires that the satellite get close-ups of the vehicle on every pass.

UAV's may be another story, especially if they were watching these people for some time. The Apache may have been on a routine patrol, or it may have been alerted that the bad guys were setting up.
9 posted on 11/14/2003 9:03:34 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: jimtorr
Don't they have the ability to station a Satelite over an area or at least overlap several for almost continuous coverage?
10 posted on 11/14/2003 9:35:21 AM PST by Blessed
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Good job, troops ~ Boom ~ Bump!
11 posted on 11/14/2003 9:55:05 AM PST by blackie
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Seven more for Satan's gulag.

12 posted on 11/14/2003 10:04:58 AM PST by Levante
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To: Blessed
No.
13 posted on 11/14/2003 10:09:43 AM PST by connectthedots
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; JohnHuang2; Grampa Dave; BOBTHENAILER; MeeknMing

OBJECTS IN MIRROR ARE YOUR KARMA

14 posted on 11/14/2003 3:37:35 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
The un-magnificent 7 bite the dust.

The un-magnificent 7 bite the dust.

The un-magnificent 7 bite the dust.

Waaaaaaaahhhoooooooo

Stay tuned to your local channel......more to come.

MORE TO COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

15 posted on 11/14/2003 6:07:06 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: PhilDragoo
Saddam sons killed in loo [bathroom]


$30 Million worth of trash


Uday Hussein, left, and Qusay Hussein


They're dead, Jim.


16 posted on 11/14/2003 6:28:52 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Will work for tagline)
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