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The Assault Weapons Ban May Be Bush's Undoing
TooGood Reports ^ | 13 November 2003 | Lee R Shelton IV

Posted on 11/13/2003 12:45:22 PM PST by 45Auto

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To: Teacher317
"Renewing an already existing gun ban won't kill us, since the previous 10 years didn't."

That comback may indeed be accurate, but what it comes down to is principle. If we say it's okay for Bush to renew or extend the ban, then how to we criticize other 'reasonable' (gagging as I type that word) restrictions?

If the GOP does what clinton does in this regard, how does that make them any better or any different than the clinton crowd?

The decision to do this is not easy and the results may be distasteful, but that doesn't mean that we should shrink from principle or from our responsibilities to our posterity.

These freedoms were paid for in blood. I can't sign them away as easy as some would.

BTW, these comments are NOT directed at you personally. I know that you understand the stakes involved here and that you do not take them lightly either.

421 posted on 11/16/2003 5:12:09 PM PST by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: Teacher317
"The easiest way to avoid this choice between two evils is for one man to change his mind... but that does not look likely, making GWB's leadership more questionable in the eyes of many, like myself."

That's the bottom line. Thank you.

422 posted on 11/16/2003 5:15:46 PM PST by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: NittanyLion
You can't explain it in any plainer language than you just did. If they can't understand that, then there is no hope for them.
423 posted on 11/16/2003 5:19:35 PM PST by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: Badray
...I will withhold support and my vote REGARDLESS OF ANY CONSEQUENCES.

Well, I guess that solves the problem. The world will never forget you.

424 posted on 11/16/2003 5:38:59 PM PST by Consort
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To: Lazamataz
So we have a choice of driving over a cliff at 60 miles an hour in the Democrat, or driving over a cliff at 20 miles an hour in the Republican car.

What choice would you select if we had two cars driving TORWARDS a cliff at varying speeds instead of two cars driving over a cliff at varying speeds?

Which car would be easier to stop before it drives off the cliff?

425 posted on 11/16/2003 6:05:23 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: ppaul
Got one of those bumper stickers on my truck and it never ceases to amaze me how many people do not know what it means; and most of those are gun owners.
426 posted on 11/16/2003 6:05:55 PM PST by 11Bush
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To: CarryaBigStick
I'll put my money on Travis any day.

Me too. Besides, I doubt shutup would even showup.

427 posted on 11/16/2003 6:55:54 PM PST by 11Bush
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To: justshutupandtakeit
No, I just followed your posts. What an arrogant prick. But I mean that in the nicest way...
428 posted on 11/16/2003 7:01:42 PM PST by MileHi (+)
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To: MindBender26
I don't know about the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everyone. -- Bill Cosby
429 posted on 11/16/2003 7:05:38 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Badray; Geritol; sheltonmac
If I want to steal all of your money and you didn't want me to take any of it, would you compromise with me by letting me steal half of it?

You have added another good analogy to describe Bush's intentions to allow continue legislation that infringes on the right to bear arms, therefore violating the Supreme Law of the Land.

Geritol also pointed out the fallacy of voting for those who campaign to usurp to a less extreme than others in #265.

430 posted on 11/17/2003 2:13:25 AM PST by The_Eaglet
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To: Stop Legal Plunder
The Constitution Party also consistently supports the 2nd Amendment.

True.

Click here to see the right to bear arms plank of the Constitution Party platform.

431 posted on 11/17/2003 7:56:36 AM PST by The_Eaglet
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To: AnnaZ
"We must remember that unlike liberal voters, many conservative voters put principles and issues over party affiliation and political expediency. They simply won't vote for a public official who undermines their ideals, and beating them up about it won't will only alienate them further."

Thank you. That one really deserved repeating.

The insults that McClintock supporters had to endure during the recall race were beyond the pale and illustrated a portion of the Pubbie party that no one could ever mistake for "compassionate" (a term apparently attached to "conservative" to deny the existence of such a power-at-all-costs-even-the-Constitution wing). Prior to that race I thought such types were solely the slanderous creation of the Left, but I was wrong. They exist.

Why is taking common sense and reality into voting unprincipled? Don't you think that voting for McClintock and thus risking putting Bustamente into office is a bit Jonestownish? I do and I'm a conservative. If you keep waiting for the perfect candidate, you will end up with nothing. BTW, I don't know whether or not I'm a "Pubbie" because I don't know what a "Pubbie" is.

432 posted on 11/17/2003 8:32:01 AM PST by EveningStar
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To: Consort
Your method -- Hiding your head in the sand and not addressing the problem will accomplish nothing.

May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity not know that you are our brethern.
433 posted on 11/17/2003 12:18:51 PM PST by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: Badray
Put some more ice on it.
434 posted on 11/17/2003 12:20:46 PM PST by Consort
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To: The_Eaglet
I was going to use an analogy about sleeping with his wife, but decided against that for many reasons. ;-)
435 posted on 11/17/2003 12:23:49 PM PST by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: Consort
"Put some more ice on it."

A variation of the line that you used with Juanita Broaddrick after raping her, Bill.

Well, you have clearly identified yourself and what you want to do to people with that comment.

436 posted on 11/17/2003 12:28:47 PM PST by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: Badray
Grow up.
437 posted on 11/17/2003 12:43:24 PM PST by Consort
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To: Badray
This thread is still cooking, I see...

SUNSET THE AW BAN

438 posted on 11/17/2003 12:43:45 PM PST by xsrdx
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To: xsrdx
I seem to have misplaced my Tagline...
439 posted on 11/17/2003 12:49:41 PM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Consort
If you are an example of "grown up", then I don't ever want to grow up.
440 posted on 11/17/2003 1:30:10 PM PST by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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