The Downfall of Uniformitarianism

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[Doctor Stochastic]

One cannot draw conclusions from absence of evidence unless there is some reason to suspect that there should have been evidence. In general, the most likely reason for absence of evidence is that there is no there there. The lack of gnome bones in my back yard doesn't explain the mushrooms.

[MineralMan]

"Eph 6:12-13
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."

Again, what does this have to do with the formation of the Earth, the erstwhile topic of this thread? Perhaps you'd be better served by starting a new thread.

[MineralMan]

"Hitler swayed a nation based on his charisma?"

Actually, he did just that, along with setting up a convenient scapegoat on which to focus the hatred of his countrymen. Germany was in terrible financial shape, following WWI, and its population was quite unhappy with the situation.

Hitler gave them hope of taking over a lot of territory and its industries, and gave them a target for their pent-up frustration with Judaism. In that he was aided by the writings of Martin Luther, who despised Jews. Since a good part of the German population was Lutheran, it was easy to stir up hatred.

Further, the rest of Western Europe had set the borders of Germany to suit themselves, and this ticked off most Germans, who wanted their territory back. Hitler used his charismatic personality to focus all this into his "Third Reich," which almost succeeded. Had it not been for the United States and its rather tardy entry into the fray, German would be the language of most of western Europe.

Thank you for the opportunity to add some knowledge to your mix.

[MineralMan]

"The lack of gnome bones in my back yard doesn't explain the mushrooms."

Doc,

I'm just afraid you don't understand. Gnomes are most certainly real. That you cannot find their bones doesn't refute their existence.

You may not be aware that gnomes universally grind up the bones of their dead and uses them to fertilize their gardens.

I know this to be true because I have faith in the existence of gnomes. While I have never seen one, it's true, there must be gnomes because I've seen the statues of them in many gardens. Further, I've seen illustrations of them in books.

Oh thou of little faith. Accept the reality of gnomes. Learn to have faith in what you cannot see. Otherwise, you'll go to the fire pit when you die and be tormented by trolls for eternity.

You don't believe in trolls, either? My word! There are plenty of them right here on FR.

[Sabertooth]

One cannot draw conclusions from absence of evidence unless there is some reason to suspect that there should have been evidence.

What reason do you have that you, a nautural man,
should have observed evidence of the supernatural?

[Elsie]

DANG!!!

 

You got a HUNDRED replies alREADY???!!

 

Ok, I'll wade in...

 

 

The Downfall of Uniformitarianism   11/04/2003
Can major paradigm shifts occur in science today?  Check this one out.
    You’ve seen it on TV science programs and in textbooks: plumes of hot magma from deep in the Earth’s mantle rise through the crust and erupt on the surface (the IMAX movie Yellowstone has computer graphics of the whole process).  Perhaps you’ve seen animations of the Hawaiian Islands riding over a “hot spot” and building its chain of volcanoes over millions of years on its slow, drifting journey.  Textbook diagrams show cross-sections of Earth’s crust, with lava erupting from channels rooted deep in the mantle, while crustal plates float and drift atop deep convection currents.
    That’s all defunct now, and so is a lot of the uniformitarian dogma associated with it, claims Warren B. Hamilton (Colorado School of Mines), in an extensive article in this month’s GSA Today.¹  Uniformitarianism is out, catastrophism is in.  Now, don’t get the idea Hamilton denies the Earth is billions of years old; he still accepts the 4.567 billion year figure, the condensation of Earth from a solar nebula, and all that. 

 

1. Leaving the question of where did the solar nebula come from, just give me a clue as to how HOT each little speck of dust was as it coalesced.

 

2. Archimaeides(sp?) (I think) said that if he had a place to put a fulcrum, he could move the Earth with a lever.  I want to know: A. what FORCE is causing the 'plates to move' and B. what is it pushing against.

 

3. Assuming the Earth WAS a redhole ball of 'stuff' 4.5 BYA, why hasn't it cooled off by now?  As fast as the daily heat goes away if there is no cloud cover at night, it should be solid by now, not filled with red-hot rock just WAITING to blast out!

 

 

[bondserv]

Church Attendance
Picking Up In Germany

Germany: In 1999 four per cent of the 26.6 million church members worshipped on an average Sunday; the following year the ratio went up to 4.2 per cent.

The Muslim population is roughly 3.2 million.

In 1997 44 percent of Americans attend church once a week. At least 100 million every week. We have more people going to church than exist in either Germany or France.

Guess it depends on where you look.

[Elsie]

(You've probably already figured out that 'redhole' should be redhot.......)

[MineralMan]

"The Muslim population is roughly 3.2 million. "

And what percentage of that population attends services at their local mosque? You don't have an answer to that question, and I don't think it exists, because I hunted for it.

More people do _not_ attend mosques in Germany and France than Christians attending churches. You are incorrect.

[atlaw]

You're missing the point.

See, there's this scientist who thinks that the Hawaiian islands may have been formed more quickly than previously believed, and this shows that scientists are always discovering new things, which shows that scientists don't really know what they think they know, which shows that everything that scientists think they know is wrong, which shows that the Hawaiian islands were formed supernaturally, which shows that 9/11 was predicted by the Bible, which shows that scientists should get out of the stupid lab and go to church.

It's really very simple, but you can't see it because you're obviously some kind of scientist.

[VadeRetro]

The particular source site here, a favorite of bondserv's, is a grab-bag of every hiccup, disagreement, sour note, and unexpected result which can be culled from current science. It is intended to prove we don't know anything, since what we appear to know offends some people.

[VadeRetro]

Evidence, either way?

"Faith in things unseen" doesn't seem to be healthy for just everyone.

[MineralMan]

"See, there's this scientist who thinks that the Hawaiian islands may have been formed more quickly than previously believed, and this shows that scientists are always discovering new things, which shows that scientists don't really know what they think they know, which shows that everything that scientists think they know is wrong, which shows that the Hawaiian islands were formed supernaturally, which shows that 9/11 was predicted by the Bible, which shows that scientists should get out of the stupid lab and go to church.
"

Wow, I never thought of it that way. You've opened my eyes now, and I'll never be the same again. The logic of your paragraph is impeccable, so I guess I was wrong. [grin]

[Elsie]

Giving the exact day and time is a big no-no.

As well as an impossibility.....

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There are ALWAYS TWO days on the Earth at any one time (International Date Line) and the HOUR is REALLY messed up due to having 24 (or more!) different time zones.

[MineralMan]

"The particular source site here, a favorite of bondserv's, is a grab-bag of every hiccup, disagreement, sour note, and unexpected result which can be culled from current science. It is intended to prove we don't know anything, since what we appear to know offends some people."

Yeah, I'm familiar with it. I go there whenever my sense of humor is flagging.

[Elsie]

IMHO, there is good evidence Islam can't get along with anybody.

Indeed.....

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Genesis 16

 

 7.  The angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur.
 8.  And he said, "Hagar, servant of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?"   "I'm running away from my mistress Sarai," she answered.
 9.  Then the angel of the LORD told her, "Go back to your mistress and submit to her."
 10.  The angel added, "I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count."
 11.  The angel of the LORD also said to her: "You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard of your misery.
 12.  He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."
 13.  She gave this name to the LORD who spoke to her: "You are the God who sees me," for she said, "I have now seen  the One who sees me."

[bondserv]

You got a HUNDRED replies alREADY???!!

Your attention to detail astounds me. :-)

What, more questions with just-so scientific answers?

[Right Wing Professor]

That explains the Arabs; but Nigerian and Phillipino and Bosnian Muslims ain't Ishmaelites.

[bondserv]

Our church supports a missionary Pastor in France. Sad to say France is considered a nation needing missionaries. He relates how the French people need Pastors that will teach the Word of God. Biblical illiteracy is epidemic.

We are a non-denominational evangelical Christian Church that teaches the Bible verse by verse from cover to cover.

[Right Wing Professor]

Sad to say France is considered a nation needing missionaries

That's not all they need. Tell your pastor to bring a few cases of soap.