Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 11-13

Various | November 10, 2003 | sweetliberty

[sweetliberty]

TERRI'S FIGHT (Thread 7 - November 11-13)

Link back to thread 6 - (Nov.8-10) Link back to thread 5 - (Nov. 5-7) Link back to thread 4 - (Nov. 3-4) Link back to thread 3 (Nov. 1-2) Link back to thread 2 - (Oct. 30-31) Link back to thread 1 - (Oct. 29)

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Contained in Thread 6:

*Correction on thread 6. In the heading where it says, "contained in thread 4," it should read, "contained in thread 5."

Contact information for Judge Greer, probate documents listed for Terry and Michael Schiavo, article from April, 2001 when Terri's feeding tube was ordered by Judge Quesada to be put back in pending deposition of Cindy Shook Brashers, link to clip of Steve Schiavo calling in to Glenn Beck's program, link to information on Schiavo/Centonze property value, link to transcript of On the Record interview with Ken Connor, link to American Patriot Friends Network, link to hospicepatients.org website, article about the testimony of Trudy Capone, link to post about co-sponsor of Terri's Bill in the House, Frank Attkisson giving legal reasons for the need for intervention on Terri's behalf, link to Hospice Patients Alliance website, statement that 9 neurologists have said that Terri is NOT in a PVS, Washington, D.C.contact information via email/fax, summary of legal expenses that Schiavo paid out of the money awarded to him for Terri’s care and rehabilitation, also see chart here for summary of legal expenses, This Round to Terri, But Fight Not Over article in Catholic Standard & Times (10/23/2003), another article, Schindlers Wonder What Happened the Night Terri Collapsed form Catholic Standard and Times:, and a serious question that is raised and needs to be researched.

Also in thread 6 (breaking it down into 2 paragraphs due to the length): information on holdings of Jodi Centonze, was Terri beaten(?), liability claims against Terri’s doctors, chronology of cases against Michael Schiavo, Schiavo v. Bush, who’s paying hospice(?), some quotes from George Felos’ book here and here, Jodi Centonze insurance connections, link to Village Voice article: Lying about Terri Schiavo, federal prohibition of use of funds for assisted suicide and euthanasia, the model husband according to George Felos (also see addition here), findings of Florida medical board on Dr. Hammersfahr and some facts about Judge Greer regarding this case.

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Click on pic for Terri's website.

This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

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[nicmarlo]

Yes, I noticed you and I were posting on the same one yesterday! : )

[Graymatter]

>>you may find it listed at this post: 05/09/01 ... AFFIDAVIT OF TRUDY CAPONE

I see it listed. I can't read it!

[pickyourpoison]

Thanks nic
Felos connection would have put him in a position to advise MS on where to invest money.

[sweetliberty]

Hehe....Monday night is an odd time for a ZOT thread. They seem to hit more towards the end of the week...Friday mornings are quite common, so common in fact, that I got in the habit of having Zotted troll for breakfast on Fridays. .

[RusynMama]

From the Girlfriend interview: Girlfriend: And he used to stay there a lot longer than he told me, because he said that he would... he's a real loud guy... and he would go thru the nursing home, and he said immediately umm, as soon as he got near the door, her head was already looking at the door, but that she would recognize his voice...

Radiohost: Right...

Girlfriend: ...and she would start crying when he got ready to leave. Umm, and he was like, "She is [unintelligible] to my life, and she is taking ALL of this time! And upsets my WHOLE LIFE with this, and this is ALL her fault. And, um, just a COMPLETE change!"

Wait a minute, is that MS saying that Terri has had conscious reactions at some time since 1990??

[nicmarlo]

Although its "contents" are not available for public viewing at the court, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist in the form and content as published in newspaper article.

Note: Felos did not deny what the 2001 newspaper "claimed" was in Terry Capone's affidavit (that MS fathered two children). Felos, instead, denied that Capone's statements were factual.

[nicmarlo]

Perhaps the trolls watch t.v. on Monday nights (football?)

[sweetliberty]

LOL! Well, obviously not the one last night. Poor dear still thinks Gore is president. Now THAT is what you call a persisitent vegetative state!

[nicmarlo]

still thinks Gore is president. Now THAT is what you call a persisitent vegetative state!

Well, I think all liberals are in a PVS....at the very least, it's obvious they're all lemmings who have no ability for independent thought.

[Coral Snake]

Sorry for the "tin foil hat" think but I am really beginning to wonder if Terri's brain scan was "switched" with one of a woman of the same age who is truely PVS and that she indeed may have more of a ceribral cortex that we are being allowed to believe. You have got to admit that the general fishiness of this case tends to promote this type of "tin foil hat" speculation.

[nicmarlo]

Felos connection would have put him in a position to advise MS on where to invest money.

Highly likely; it also shows that one must assume Felos continues to have contacts who can advise MS, as well.

[nicmarlo]

I am really beginning to wonder if Terri's brain scan was "switched" with one of a woman of the same age ...

This is possible. How likely a possibility, I have no clue.

[pc93]

Imagine my surprise coming home from work and the tube in my bedroom had the news on and I hear the local news channel talking about Terri etc. (whom they never said anything about every time I saw them talking on past occassions).. then they say that Oprah is going to be covering Terri's case on Friday at 4PM EST. I thought wow this might be good. But now that I went to her site I see that they are spelling Terri's name Terry and they are talking about Living Wills, etc. nothing about what is really going on. Then I join up on their message board and some woman is saying Terry already decided and her decision was to die. I for one am not going to sit idly by and not say anything so I responded but I think others may want to as well.

[nicmarlo]

I went there, and this is what I posted, pc:

**Terry already decided what she wanted, as determined by medical doctors and our legal system.**

This is not true. Terri has no living will or other legal document stating anything about what her wishes are. She most especially did not leave any legal document or will which stated she would rather be starved to death than live.

The court has allowed Michael Schiavo's hearsay testimony be the "clear and convincing evidence" used to terminate Terri's life. The judge in question has refused to take into account statements made by Terri to her friend, Diane Meyer, while Terri was a young teen (Diane Meyer, recalled watching a movie about Quinlan in the summer of 1982 after they graduated high school. "I remember one of the things she said is, "How did they know she would want this? How did they know she wouldn't want to go on?"' Meyer testified.)

There are bone scans/x-rays performed on the night she "collapsed" which clearly show, according to the radiologist, fractures all over her body; a doctor has testified that damaged vertabrae in her neck are consistent with injuries which would be received by strangulation.

There is a great amount of other evidence that "Judge" Greer has refused to read/see. He admitted, under oath to an Appellate Court, that he ignored numerous doctors' sworn opinions and summarily rejected additional evidence that unmistakably proved Michael Schiavo lied to the court at the original trial.

"Judge" Greer did not read 6 of 7 doctor's reports stating that Terri was not in a PVS state.

There is more information that can be found simply by searching the internet rather than relying on the pureed, inaccurate baby food being fed by the news and certain shows.

[sweetliberty]

It is really scary to me that such a large segment of the population of the United States of America could be working so hard at putting a woman to death who hasn't even committed a crime. Natural human decency says that if there is doubt, err on the side of caution, which is the side of life. This is beyond a matter of "doubt." It has become a matter of willful determination to kill, in spite of overwhelming doubt!

Another thread up tonight:

Governor Sidetracks Schiavo 's Lawsuit

[atruelady]

This is a copy of my e-mail to Oprah Winfrey:

"Dear Oprah,

I read that you will be doing a story about living wills this week? I guess you will be making reference to the Terri Schiavo situation. This is an important topic, but you would be better served doing a show about Terri.

I also read that someone with you show had the gall to state that it is Terri's wish to die. You really have made a conscious choice NOT to educate yourself about her husband, the weird attorney Felos and others wrapped up in a case where conflict of interests have decided she must die.

You are irresponsible in not promoting a proper story. Why on earth would you even mention Terri.

I am posting my message to you on FreeRepublic.com and urging the masses (we have considerable clout) to boycott your show, magazine, and ANYTHING you promote and are affiliated with (sponsors, etc.). When you are going to stand up and be independent of other media outlets that have committed horrible journalistic malpractice in the case of Terri Schiavo?

Oprah, you stink!"

Carla
Bradenton, FL

[RusynMama]

Have you seen the House Amicus Brief filed by Rep. Byrd (defending the constituionality of Terri's Law)? Posted here.

It's really quite elegant -- makes the case for constitutionality of the legislature's actions quite nicely. Two points I found interesting:

1) The power of the court to make life or death decisions in cases like this is NOT stautory. Rather, it was set out IN DICTA (lawyerspeak for "an aside in a court decision, which generally doesn't have the effect of law") in the Browning decision. (yes, that's the same Browning)

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2) Subsequent to the Browning decision, FL statues were revised to provide for the GUARDIAN to make life/death decisions. But in Terri's case, the decision HAS NOT BEEN MADE by the guardian -- instead, it has been made by JUDGE GREER, pursuant to the dicta in Browning. And this violates the express provisions of the current FL statutes..

[saveterri1]

Read Complete Report of Guardian Ad Litem
Richard L. Pearse, Jr, Attorney at Law
In Re: The Guardianship of Theresa Schiavo
Probate Case # 90-2908GD-003

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/Pearse%20GAL%20Report%20122998.pdf

Copied from another thread - Original Post By:
3 posted on 11/04/2003 9:17 PM PST by flattorney

[Dante3]

I feel the same way. And there are socres of cases where people have been in a coma and have recovered.

[nicmarlo]

No, I hadn't read/seen it yet, but I will now! Thanks for the link.