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IU Affirmative Action Bakesale Followup
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Posted on 11/06/2003 9:02:07 PM PST by Rush Reagan

Hey guys you've probably read the thread about us having an affirmative action bakesale here at IU. I thought since we had it I'd give you an update. Well as you can probably guess it's been a real firestorm. When we had it there were probably 40-70 black people yelling at us for 2 hrs. No violence, and the University did not attempt to shut us down. So far they have actually been very supportive of our freedom of speech. However, after the bakesale in a time period of only 5 hrs the Black Student Union organized a forum where over a 100 people totally castigated the President of the Committee for Freedom, the group that put on the bakesale. We had not anticipated this and were not prepared. We should not have attended, but the President of the organization was forced to go by his boss because he is an RA. We've attracted a lot of news attention. We were the lead story on the local news last night as well as frontpage news in the student and local papers today. The Indianapolis Star also did a story and it has been picked up by the AP. Soon there will start to be letters coming in that call the organizer racist and slandering him. There have already been complaints that such protest should not be allowed at the school. That's good because that's what we wanted and we knew they would do that. We are drafting a response and we are going to hammer them. If any of you would like to help us by writting a letter to the editor of the school newspaper or Indianapolis Star get in touch with me. Thank you.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; US: Indiana; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; bakesale; indiana; indianauniversity; iu
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To: azGOPgal
Also, I know everyone wants to stay updated on the current situation here and he we are going to go about fighting the left. I will be coming back here to update, but also if you guys want to check www.hoosierreview.com any updates that happen will be posted on the blog there. It is the conservative student publication of IU.
61 posted on 11/07/2003 4:56:16 PM PST by Rush Reagan
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To: AR15_Patriot
Get real! If Blacks had power, then the Secretary of State, the National Security Advisor, and the Secretary of Education would be Black! Oops! ;-)
62 posted on 11/07/2003 5:07:38 PM PST by SubMareener
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To: Rush Reagan
I heard about this! WAY TO GO!!!!! Indy ROCKS!
63 posted on 11/07/2003 6:17:55 PM PST by RasterMaster (Saddam's family was a WMD)
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To: Rush Reagan
Its important to document the reaction and antics of the other side for future activities. This will certainly help you prepare. Good job!
64 posted on 11/07/2003 6:44:52 PM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: CindyDawg
Thanks. The white males ought to have been the ones screaming:')

Walter Williams (black conservative) was filling in for Rush today. When he heard the prices, he said he's going to be buying his cookies at IU. LOL

65 posted on 11/07/2003 6:46:13 PM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: Rush Reagan
Also, who has more power a professor at a University or me a sophomore undergrad?

YOU because you're 30 years younger and already have wisdom he'll never acquire.

66 posted on 11/07/2003 6:48:06 PM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: Rush Reagan
Excellent job! Keep up the great work!
67 posted on 11/07/2003 7:02:35 PM PST by bdeaner
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To: Flora McDonald
"The worst part is he is a professor..."

Do you know the professor's name and email?
68 posted on 11/07/2003 7:21:59 PM PST by Legerdemain
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To: Rush Reagan
See post #68.
69 posted on 11/07/2003 8:24:33 PM PST by Flora McDonald (GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS)
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To: Legerdemain
I wish I did know that Professor's name and email. I was temepted to ask him for yet, but the situation was not conducive to doing that.
70 posted on 11/07/2003 8:45:24 PM PST by Rush Reagan
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To: coloradan
There are some scholarships available only to blacks, or women, or American Indians, or minority women, etc ... so these people pay less, on average, than white males do. In which case, the cookies should all cost the same, but with "scholarships" that amount to refunds if one is in an affirmative class.

While some scholarships may be available only to minority students, scholarships in general are not available exclusively to minorities. Some are based on race, some on need, others are based on merit, or given by the employer of a student's parent, or by community civic groups, or given to students with a specific talent.

Scholarships are money paid to a university/college for an education, not just a piece of paper with no value. A student may pay less, but the degree didn't cost any less.

Since merit isn't the determining factor in college admissions, I see this not as a 'some pay less, some pay more' issue, but as a 'count based on race' issue -- for each academically qualifying non-minority admission, there must be so many non-academically qualifying minority students admitted for a diverse student body.

Interestingly enough, I don't see colleges paying the same attention to diversity when hiring teaching staff. Quite a double standard there.

What I think is really, really sad about affirmative action is the general perception that a minority student can't merit a college admission so affirmative action is necessary. Why aren't we fixing our schools instead of admitting based on race *for diversity*.?

The effect? While not strictly minority student driven, I've seen courses dumbed down an entire class level; students expecting a pass for no other reason than they showed up for class; very creative grading to pass students with a C. All this, and much more, in the time it took high-school freshmen to become college freshmen.

71 posted on 11/07/2003 9:06:49 PM PST by MIsunshine
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To: Rush Reagan
Thanks for the update -- thousands are following this...

Hopefully you did run the video during the "festivities"??

72 posted on 11/07/2003 9:11:27 PM PST by F16Fighter (CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN: Lying Neworks that promote LIES.)
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To: usadave
"Black people cannot be racist because they don't have power."

They believe this because it works: it janks on the cord of envy and has great emotive power in the service of political gain. Why is it racist to depict Jews complicit in the crucifixion of Jesus? Because they were not in power. Handy marxist tactic. Conservative variation: "compassionate conservatism."

73 posted on 11/07/2003 9:16:20 PM PST by cornelis
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To: Rush Reagan
"When we had it there were probably 40-70 black people yelling at us for 2 hrs."

The truth bothers them, does it??

74 posted on 11/08/2003 5:49:06 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Rush Reagan
At the end of the second hour.
75 posted on 11/08/2003 9:17:33 AM PST by wordsofearnest (He'll rip your lungs out Jim, I'd like to meet his tailor.)
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To: calvin sun
Has anyone heard of Jane Elliott, the schoolteacher who, in 1968, did a classroom experiment called "Brown Eyes, Blue Eyes." She separated the class by eye color and then gave different privileges accordingly.

I have heard of that, but I am somewhat skeptical of it. Has anyone else ever tried to recreate it or actually checked her data or notes? I find it hard to believe that the kids could be so easily manipulated or the parents wouildn't have objected.

76 posted on 11/08/2003 11:01:18 AM PST by knuthom
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To: Rush Reagan
There was one guy there that said, "Black people cannot be racist because they don't have power." and he also said, "Freedom and equality don't exist and they never will." That is ludacrious. The worst part is he is a professor.

Name the name, please. I'd like to write him a letter.

77 posted on 11/08/2003 11:06:17 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: RasterMaster
Don't get me wrong - I support your enthusiasm and echo it, but to clarify :-): Indy is Indianapolis; this happened in Bloomington, IN - a very beautiful college campus in the fall, home to the Little 500, made famous in the movie, "Breaking Away".
78 posted on 11/08/2003 11:10:16 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Rush Reagan
to really drive th e point home, have another sale and sell white male students cookies for 25 cents and black male students cookies for a dollar... if they still yell, then ask what will make them happy, equal cost of cookies?

teeman
79 posted on 11/08/2003 11:44:08 AM PST by teeman8r (due to technical difficulties beyond our control, no tagline is available at this particular time)
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Unfortunately I do not know his name. We really want to start a letter writing campaign though. So if any of you would like to write any letters in support of the bake sale and against affirmative action. Send them to letters@indiana.edu
80 posted on 11/08/2003 12:38:50 PM PST by Rush Reagan
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