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Stolen Iraq Artifacts Recovered in Raid
AP via Yahoo ^ | 11/06/03 | KATARINA KRATOVAC

Posted on 11/06/2003 7:44:14 PM PST by TexKat

BAGHDAD, Iraq - In a joint raid, U.S. soldiers and Iraqi policemen recovered two of the most important artifacts looted from the Iraqi National Museum following the collapse of Saddam Hussein's regime, a coalition spokesman said Thursday.

Both artifacts have been identified by museum authorities in Baghdad and will be returned in the next few days, Charles Heatly said.

One of the two pieces, the so-called Bassetki copper statue, dating back to 2,300 B.C., depicts a man seated on the ground. It was found in a cesspool during a joint raid by U.S. Military Police and Iraqi police.

The second piece, discovered in the same raid, is a wood and bronze brazier, a mobile fire box used by Assyrian kings to keep warm in winter. It dates to 850 B.C.

Heatly did not provide details about when and where the two pieces were recovered.

"This was an important find," Heatly said. "We hope to still recover more artifacts."

The massive Bassetki piece was considered the second-most precious relic of the Iraqi National Museum.

The museum's top-listed piece, the Lady of Warka, was recovered Sept. 16. It was found by U.S. soldiers and Iraqi police in an orchard on the outskirts of the capital. The Iraqi Antiquities Department had earlier been tipped off by people who reported seeing it there.

The relic, depicting a female face, is about 5,200 years old and is also known as the Sumerian Mona Lisa.

The looting and destruction of the Iraqi National Museum in April triggered sharp criticism of U.S. forces both in Iraq and abroad. Museum curators and archaeologists worldwide blamed the United States for the losses, saying its troops should have protected the treasures, some of which date to the earliest days of human history.

Some looted items have been returned under a no-questions-asked amnesty program, while others were found in raids or in government vaults where they had been placed for safekeeping.

Still, only about 2,000 of 13,000 looted treasures have so far been recovered.

The Iraqi National Museum — which remains closed — is now guarded by the Iraqi police forces that work under the supervision of the U.S. military.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: artifacts; bassetki; found; godsgravesglyphs; iraq; iraqipolice; ladyofwarka; museum; raid; recovered; statue
Still, only about 2,000 of 13,000 looted treasures have so far been recovered.

Find Saddam and some of the looted treasures will be found.

1 posted on 11/06/2003 7:44:15 PM PST by TexKat
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; MEG33; windchime
Ping
2 posted on 11/06/2003 7:46:42 PM PST by TexKat
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To: TexKat
Great news! Too bad the libs still won't shut up despite this "historical catastrophe" being averted.
3 posted on 11/06/2003 7:51:56 PM PST by Killborn (Half Thai, Half American, 95% Conservative, 100% Insane)
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To: TexKat
I thought that the "looting" was BS and the items were actually hidden by workers...something about a vault hidden under waste water....now I'm confused..

G
4 posted on 11/06/2003 7:53:22 PM PST by gdc314
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To: TexKat
Not true.

The number of important items actually stolen is closer to 200, and those are believed stolen by museum staff, since their storage room was found unlocked, and undisturbed.

Empty.

But undisturbed.
5 posted on 11/06/2003 8:00:19 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: gdc314; Ragtime Cowgirl
Miss Cowgirl, didn't we have the real story about the recovery of these tiems about 3 weeks ago from the Armed Forces News interview with the officer leading the recovery?
6 posted on 11/06/2003 8:02:37 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: TexKat
I am thouroughly confused as the missing items were said to be much fewer than this in earlier articles..Here I go to google.
7 posted on 11/06/2003 8:45:01 PM PST by MEG33
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To: gdc314
I found a May CNN article that said 38 remaining missing pieces.A June article in the Contra Costa times said 200 but officials in the museum couldn't say about uncatalogued pices.I have no idea what is true!Originally it was 130,000 missing ,so there has been a huge change!
8 posted on 11/06/2003 8:53:23 PM PST by MEG33
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To: RadioAstronomer; Physicist
ping
9 posted on 11/07/2003 5:08:45 AM PST by Fifth Business
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To: TexKat
BTTT
10 posted on 11/07/2003 5:10:19 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; TexKat
Thanks for the pings! Good news. Still, not worth a single Soldier's life.

Actually, data on the looting is complex. Each bead counts as a separate item. This briefing is a detailed analysis of where the investigation stood Sept.9:

Briefing on the Investigation of Antiquity Loss from the Baghdad Museum ~ 9/10
 
...Turning now to the losses.  I stress, as I have for the last five months, that the loss of a single piece of our shared heritage is an absolute tragedy.  But it is abundantly clear that the original number of 170,000 missing artifacts was simply wrong.  But again I stress, numbers simply cannot tell the whole story, nor should they be the sole determinant used to assess the extent of the damage or of the recovery itself.

 

            For example, it is simply impossible to quantify the loss of the world's first known Samarian mask of a female deity.  That's one number; you cannot possibly quantify it, and it is irreplaceable.  On the other hand, a single clay pot recovered at an archeological site in 25 separate pieces, depending on the circumstances under which it is recovered, counts as 25 separate pieces -- each bead, each pin, each amulet, each pendant counts as a separate piece.  So numbers simply cannot tell the whole story.  They do, however, offer, used appropriately, a metric with which we can assess what indeed has been done, and what so far is being recovered....


11 posted on 11/07/2003 5:17:30 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ("Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America to be passive. They counted wrong" ~RReagan)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
So they did recover the nbr one "female amulet" he mentioned.

Now, this story says both nbr one and nbr two are recovered....

(We need a card system for these things!)
12 posted on 11/07/2003 5:44:44 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; Fifth Business; Physicist; Doctor Stochastic
Still, not worth a single Soldier's life.

The preservation of knowledge, heritage, and history thru books and antiquities is hard to quantify against a single life or even a number of them.

Our entire generation will die, no exceptions. Would I consider it an honorable death for myself if I died defending a priceless heritage and/or library for future generations? Without a doubt.

Personally, I find that recorded knowledge (libraries/internet), our heritage, and museums and the pursuit of the same (education, exploration, archeology, experimentation, etc.) are some of mankind’s greatest endeavors. Think of all the great ideas and knowledge that are at your fingertips due to this very thing. IMHO, it is one of the main things that separate us from living in never ending ignorance.

Maybe this is one of the reasons I have over 6000 books at my house. Reading and learning is for me, one of life's greatest pleasures. I am lucky to live in such a time.

Could you imagine what could be learned if we had some of the great libraries and museums that have long been destroyed returned for us to study?

Indeed this is certainly worth my life.

13 posted on 11/07/2003 6:42:54 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
That was beautiful.

The loss of the Iraq antiquities didn't mean the loss of knowledge - some, yes, but each piece has been carefully catalogued, researched and recorded...the history studied in Universities and homes across the world. Info is now more readily available than any time in history.

Thousands of years from now, would the item and not the recorded info be more beneficial to humankind? I tend to think that the heirs of our best and brightest serving in Iraq are far more precious.

You've given this more thought than I have.

Today, with the potential of massive casualties due to WMDs, and a jihadist movement with little respect for the historical treasures of other cultures - as they proved by blowing up the Buddhist wonders - I wouldn't give a single Soldier up for any treasure.

If other volunteers choose to arm themselves and stand guard over our non-human treasures, more power to 'em. (*g*)

14 posted on 11/07/2003 7:44:31 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ("Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America to be passive. They counted wrong" ~RReagan)
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To: MEG33
This is clearly a moving target depending on the metrics used...and the politics of the "journalist"...note from an earlier comment that each bead or piece of a broken jar counts as a separate artifact...oh well, I'm not going to get too distracted by the "loss"...

G

15 posted on 11/07/2003 9:18:26 AM PST by gdc314
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To: gdc314
I am happy they have recovered important pieces,but I cannot weep for shards,bits,and pieces.The museum director was discredited for his false statements enough to gain criticism from his fellow directors.
16 posted on 11/07/2003 9:28:25 AM PST by MEG33
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; RadioAstronomer
The loss of the Iraq antiquities didn't mean the loss of knowledge - some, yes, but each piece has been carefully catalogued, researched and recorded...the history studied in Universities and homes across the world. Info is now more readily available than any time in history.

Sadly many of these items have not been catalogued.

Cuniform tablets in particular have not been photographed and archived. Since these tablets are made of unfired clay, they are particularly fragile. Many of these have now been destroyed, resulting in a permanent loss of information and hertiage to humankind. This is a deep loss to all of us.

17 posted on 11/07/2003 12:15:06 PM PST by Aracelis
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To: TexKat
I'm glad they got the hibachi back.
18 posted on 11/07/2003 12:20:24 PM PST by Consort
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To: TexKat
Bump!
19 posted on 11/09/2003 11:14:52 AM PST by windchime
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