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Nickel gets a makeover
News 14 Carolina ^ | November 6, 2003 | AP

Posted on 11/06/2003 8:52:05 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough

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To: bmwcyle
Muttly all-time favorite nickel, after the Indian/Buffalo...

...is the CHOCOLATE one !
21 posted on 11/06/2003 9:11:23 AM PST by PoorMuttly ("You cannot be a victim and a hero." - Hon. Clarence Thomas)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
My wife told me all of this would happen. She said gradually they'll change the money. Then, they'll print or mint a whole lot more of it...just like they did in Mexico. Then, they'll change it fairly often. Seems like what she said is coming true. Inflation (massive) just around the corner.
23 posted on 11/06/2003 9:19:42 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

In God We Trust, All others Pay Cash!


24 posted on 11/06/2003 9:20:02 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Sabertooth
whew...thought we were gonna have a major battle ove rthis...
25 posted on 11/06/2003 9:20:12 AM PST by jonalvy44
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To: HamiltonJay
Jean Shepherd...good book I read as a kid in thelate 50's/ear;y 60's
26 posted on 11/06/2003 9:28:45 AM PST by Napoleon Solo
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To: VRWC_minion
Don't the gay lobby claim that Lewis and Clark were gay ?

I think it's just Lewis who is "suspected". And I think the strongest evidence that Lewis was gay is that he was a terribly unhappy person and he (may have) killed himself. What does that say about the gay lobby and their own self-image?

27 posted on 11/06/2003 9:31:50 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (France delenda est)
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To: seamole; mhking; jonalvy44
Monticello is increasingly known as the place where Jefferson shagged Hemmings.

The facts say otherwise...

Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings

An article in the November 5, 1998, edition of Nature provides DNA evidence that Thomas Jefferson or some other male Jefferson such as Randolph, the brother of Thomas, could have been the father of one of the sons of Sally Hemings, who was a slave at Jefferson's Monticello. The technique relies on the fact that the human Y-chromosome is handed down directly from father to son and that all paternally related males will have the same Y-chromosome. Although Thomas Jefferson did not have any sons who survived to produce children, his father's brother, Field Jefferson, did have sons and it has been possible to locate 5 descendants of Field Jefferson who are in a direct male-line of descent. Thus, these individuals (descendants of Field Jefferson) should have the same Y-chromosome DNA as the Y-chromosome DNA of Thomas Jefferson and any male-line descendant of his.
The male-line descendants of two of Sally Hemmings sons were located and their Y-chromosome DNA was examined for comparison to the Y-chromosome DNA of Field Jefferson's descendants. The DNA from the five male-line descendants of Thomas Woodson, oldest son of Sally Hemings, did not match the Jefferson DNA. In fact, one of Woodson's descendants did not match well with the other four. However, the DNA from the one descendant of Eston Hemings, youngest son of Sally Hemings, did match the Jefferson DNA.
This lends credence to the supposition that Thomas Jefferson may have been the father of Eston Hemings. However, historian Williard S. Randall, notes, "There were 25 men within 20 miles of Monticello who were all Jeffersons and had the same Y chromosome. And 23 of them were younger than Jefferson, who was 65 years old when Eston was conceived." Randall, wrote a 1993 biography of Jefferson, titled, Thomas Jefferson: A Life. More detailed information is available. Three different authors provide some perspective on Jefferson and Hemings in The Nation. Finally, the The Jefferson-Hemings Scholars Commission concluded that Randolph Jefferson, Thomas' brother, was more likely to have fathered Eston Hemings.

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Y Chromosome DNA Data on Jefferson and Hemings

Defining the Possible Link Between Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings:
Lineages and DNA Markers

In order to answer the question of whether or not Thomas Jefferson could have been the father of any of Sally Hemings' sons it is necessary to compare the Y-chromosome DNA from the living male-line descendants of Jefferson and Hemmings. Is has been possible to locate male-line descendants of two of Sally Hemings' sons, Thomas Woodson (the oldest) and Eston Hemings the (youngest), but not Madison Hemings whose male-line descendants did not survive the Civil War. Shown in the figure to the right is the lineage of the one male-line descendant (H21) of Eston Hemmings and the five male-line descendants (W55, W56, W69, W70, and W61) of Thomas Woodson whose DNA was analyzed as part of the study.
Furthermore, Thomas Jefferson did not have a son survive to reproduce so it was necessary to locate the male-line descendants of Thomas Jefferson's paternal uncle, Field Jefferson. Five such descendants (J41, J42, J47, J49, and J50) were located and their DNA was analyzed.
It was also possible to locate three male-line descendants (C27, C29, and C31) of Samuel and Peter Carr -- the sons of Thomas Jefferson's sister -- whom some consider as the possible fathers of Sally Hemings' children.
In the table below are the results of an examination of the Y-chromosome DNA of the 14 male-line descendants described above. Where an individual differs from the other members of his cohort, the allele difference is shown in bold face. The five descendants of Field Jefferson (and proxies for Thomas Jefferson) have identical Y-chromosome DNA alleles except for one microsatellite DNA from J50. This difference is most reasonably accounted for by assuming that a mutation occured.
The lone descendant of Eston Hemings has the same set of Y-chromosome DNA alleles as the descendants of Field Jefferson. This supports the claim that Thomas Jefferson could have been the father of Eston Hemings although it does not prove it since the father could have been any male who had the same Y-chromosome as Thomas Jefferson and was in the immediate vicinity of Sally Hemings nine months before the birth of Eston Hemings. In fact, historical evidence implicates Randolph Jefferson, Thomas' brother, as the more likely father of Eston Hemings. The Carr descendants have similar DNA among themselves but are clearly different from either the Jefferson or Hemings descendants.
Four of the descendants of Thomas Woodson are quite similar among themselves but different from Jefferson and Hemings although they do have similarities to the descendants of the Carr line. One of the Woodson descendants is quite different from all of the other individuals which suggests that one of the genetic ancestors was not in the direct line from Thomas Woodson.

Family Pedigree
Member
Bi Allelic Markers Microsatellite STR Mini Satellite MSY1

Jefferson J41 0000001 15,12,4,11,3,9,11,10,15,13,7 (3)5, (1)14, (3)32, (4)16
J42 0000001 15,12,4,11,3,9,11,10,15,13,7 (3)5, (1)14, (3)32, (4)16
J47 0000001 15,12,4,11,3,9,11,10,15,13,7 (3)5, (1)14, (3)32, (4)16
J49 0000001 15,12,4,11,3,9,11,10,15,13,7 (3)5, (1)14, (3)32, (4)16
J50 0000001 15,12,4,11,3,9,11,10,16,13,7 (3)5, (1)14, (3)32, (4)16

Hemings H21 0000001 15,12,4,11,3,9,11,10,15,13,7 (3)5, (1)14, (3)32, (4)16

Carr C27 0000011 14,12,5,12,3,10,11,10,13,13,7 (1)17, (3)36, (4)21
C29 0000011 14,12,5,11,3,10,11,10,13,13,7 (1)17, (3)37, (4)21
C31 0000011 14,12,5,12,3,10,11,10,13,13,7 (1)17, (3)36, (4)21

Woodson W55 0000011 14,12,5,11,3,10,11,13,13,13,7 (1)16, (3)27, (4)21
W56 0000011 14,12,5,11,3,10,11,13,13,13,7 (1)16, (3)27, (4)21
W69 0000011 14,12,5,11,3,10,11,13,13,13,7 (1)16, (3)27, (4)21
W70 1110001 17,12,6,11,3,11,8,10,11,14,6 (0)1, (3a)3, (1a)11,
(3a)30, (4a)14, (4)2
W61 0000011 14,12,5,11,3,10,11,13,13,13,7 (1)16, (3)28, (4)20

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28 posted on 11/06/2003 9:33:13 AM PST by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Napoleon Solo
Its a great book :) Definately better satire has not been written about the golden years of childhood
29 posted on 11/06/2003 9:33:15 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Held_to_Ransom
Look on the bright side...I consider it an attempt to have a mini history lesson...maybe the only history lesson school kids will ever have, who knows...
30 posted on 11/06/2003 9:35:12 AM PST by Conservative4Ever (Wm. Wallace did not cry 'diversity' while being disemboweled.)
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To: seamole
Monticello is increasingly known as the place where Jefferson shagged Hemmings.

Twaddle advanced by the everybody-does-it Clinton Crowd.
No educated Freeper should believe this nonsense.

ML/NJ

32 posted on 11/06/2003 9:53:36 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: LurkedLongEnough
The nickel really ought to be retired.

But if they're going to redesign it, and they want to continue to honor ThJ, they might instead do something to commemorate what he thought were his legacies: the Declaration of American Independence, the Statute of Virginia for religious freedom, and the University of Virginia.

ML/NJ

33 posted on 11/06/2003 10:03:14 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: KantianBurke
Clinton's been out of office for almost 3 years. This is Bush's administration. What's their excuse?

If it were the cliton administration it would be the Lewinski and Clark expedition...

35 posted on 11/06/2003 10:15:07 AM PST by null and void (Monica and Wesley????)
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To: mhking
Is that a pipe on the nickle I see. Wow the tobacco lobby is incredible!
36 posted on 11/06/2003 10:25:28 AM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: CJ Wolf
Ummmm, that's not tobacco...
37 posted on 11/06/2003 10:47:38 AM PST by null and void
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To: doodlelady
How sad. I loved the old buffalo head nickels.

Me too, but then I don't think real people should be on money. The Indian is a composite of three individuals, and is a representive of all native american peoples.

I believe that people on money should be alegorical figures, like Lady Liberty. Once you start putting politicians on the money, they start thinking of themselves as better than the rest of us.

At least we still have the requirement that they be dead...

38 posted on 11/06/2003 10:52:55 AM PST by null and void
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To: aBootes
There was a black man there too. Forgive me for not remembering his name at the moment. And a cute little puppy.

No cats though. Equal representation for Feline-Americans!

39 posted on 11/06/2003 10:55:28 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife between the shoulder blades will seriously cramp his style)
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To: null and void
At least we still have the requirement that they be dead...

LOL Hey... let's have a CLINTON nickel !
Any 'requirement' volunteers? ;o] <--evil grin

40 posted on 11/06/2003 11:51:26 AM PST by b9
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