The NRA stands fast against lies

The News Journal ^ | Nov 4, 2003 | John Sigler

[neverdem]

As a retired Delaware police captain and 2nd vice president of the National Rifle Association, I am always disheartened when I see lies printed about NRA's concern for the safety of America's police officers.

The NRA will never support anything that endangers the lives of America's law enforcement personnel. No organization supports law enforcement like the NRA.

[blackie]

I agree, I'm an NRA Life Member, I also belong to GOA, Liberty Belles and OFF ~ which is an Oregon gun rights organization.

[Noumenon]

With friends like these...

[donozark]

No one is perfect. Mistakes were made. ILA formed as a result of this and other political errors. Heston no longer President of NRA.

Many feel the 1986 FOPA was a mistake. Both NRA as well as GOA favored this, yet only NRA gets panned for it. Legislation can sometimes have a negative outcome from what authors originally intended.

But again, most of Board members that supported '68 GCA have gone on to that big rifle range in the sky.

As for EXILE? Been discussed here on many threads. I personally dislike it as it Federalizes crimes. However, it doesn't kick in until after someone has been convicted of a felony. At least as of two years ago, no one here on FR was able to present evidence to the contrary.

[donozark]

#43-Should read "...gun crimes."

[donozark]

You 'ol rascal you! That's not a very nice thing to say! HAHA!

[donozark]

Yes. Neal Knox statement pretty well sums things up. Of the 600K Life members, darn few vote. Therefore, if the complainers believe they have legitimate grievances with NRA, why not join up and change it? Really very simple thing to do. Knox got voted off Board by hand-full of votes. Heck, maybe as many as appear on this thread.

One's vote does matter. But in the case of NRA, one must first be a member...Does little good throwing stones at a brick wall. Pay admission, walk through the gate and make you're voice and vote heard. It really isn't rocket-science...

[TERMINATTOR]

Whenever ANY gun control group, the NRA, HCI, MMM, etc., has the floor there's cause for worry. Has the NRA-ILA ever even tried to REPEAL any of the 30,000+ illegal "gun control" legislative acts on the books. I know they've endorsed many of them under the guise of "compromise". Illegal CCW bills to liscence a Constitutional RIGHT are a step in the wrong direction. Sponsoring illegal legislative infringements is NOT Second Amendment advocacy!

[Donaeus]

Please add me to your RKBA Bang list, thanks!

[donozark]

If CCW laws are unconstitutional, why then does GOA also work for their passage?

[TERMINATTOR]

The C word, I'd guess. Compromise.

"No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the congress is in session." --Mark Twain (1866)

"What's needed is less illegal gun control legislation, not more. Repeal it all!" --TERMINATTOR (2003)

[George Smiley]

In North Carolina, Grass Roots North Carolina is primarily responsible for the passage of Concealed carry, and, this year, reciprocity.

And speaking as one who's written letters, made phone calls, and used up more than a few lunch hours actually going down to the Legislature and talking with representatives one-on-one, I can tell you firsthand that more than once we've had to overcome the fact that the NRA supported tainted legislative alternatives to the bills we were lobbying for.

GRNC.ORG - the entire story's there if you look.

[Veracious Poet]

The Sheeple will just never get it...compromise is the end result of consensus, which only prolongs the process and without establishing an absolute - that either Sovereign, American citizens "have" the inalienable right to keep and bear arms or they don't...

Licenses are just a more precise method of control, whose ultimate outcome is confiscation.

Moreover, the NRA is just a symbol of a deeper problem - America's inability to confront the hard questions facing it on a basic level.

This political quagmire has been created by an environment of consensus...where there are no absolutes, only areas of temporary mob agreement...til the next mob gets together and is herded into consensus by the current circus ringmaster. ;-)

It all flies in the face of the foundation of the once great Republic - Natural Law is Natural Law, regardless what any "group" thinks. The millions of laws on the books are about as necessary as a tick on a dog, with the same result - parasites are fed at the host's expense.

Of course, this was all addressed some time ago by the a friend of mine named Dr. Eugene Schroder, who led a movement to restore our Constitution to its Common Law (i.e. Natural Law) foundation...the NRA and most Americans weren't interested, thus the circle jerk continues.

Read the following, and you may get an idea what I'm talking about, as well as why I don't vote and haven't participated in political matters at all since 1995 (the end of the Common Law movement).

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/waract.htm

[donozark]

GOA is not known for compromising. While most prefer the "Vermont style carry," it just isn't reality. Study the problems we have had in Missouri. A nightmare-never ending. Now in the courts. But we don't give up. Next on the agenda is National Riciprocity. Another fight-but one we are sure to win, if again, we don't give up.

Alaska recently went to "Vermont style carry." That is the direction other states will be moving to. Reverse incrementalism. But it is working.

[donozark]

I wouldn't argue with you over most of Dr. Schroders work. But we have to start somewhere. Reverse incrementalism beats doing nothing. We are making progress, at least hereabouts. Don't give up...

[MonroeDNA]

I belong to the NRA, and plan on continuing my membership.

That said, there have been some questionable calls lately.

[TERMINATTOR]

Alaska discriminates though. They only allow Alaskians some sebmlance of their RKBA. What are we, chopped liver? No grenades in the event that a pack of wolves attacks you. I wouldn't want to try to stop a ticked off mama polar bear with a hand gun, either. I guess they consider tourists part of the food chain up there.

[PhilDragoo]

Despite their best efforts, the smoke and mirrors campaign of the anti-gun elites cannot deceive freedom-loving Americans. We will not stand idly by and allow our rights to be eroded away.

And when confronted with the choice between food and renewing NRA membership or answering the Free Republic fundraising drive--we don't hesitate.

Whereas Dick Gephardt's mother is choosing between prescriptions and bingo.

[Noumenon]

What? Did I do a bad thing?

[going hot]

This says it all. Anti-gunners ought to have a sign posted in the front yard of their home that reads, "There are no guns in this home."

I often offer to my anti gun clients to take out an ad in the local paper on their behalf, publishing their name, address, and the fact that they have no guns at home. None of them have taken me up on the offer (snicker).

[going hot]

The C word, I'd guess. Compromise

I know where you are coming from.

Consider this, if you will:

In a climate such as CA, where the majority that votes has been brainwashed that guns are EEEVIL, what if a CCW shall issue was passed, and then the sheeple were to note that in fact guns were really not that bad, and some even started carrying, and of course some might even start to see the light, and vote to have a choice in the means with which to protect themselves and thiers, would that be a likable goal for you?

In 32+ states, that is exactly what is happening. The sheeple are starting to see that the sky is in fact not going to fall, and crime is (gasp) going down, and the neighborhoods are becoming more safe.

It took the pigs years to spread the shiite that we are currently under. It will not be erased by demand, or by getting in the face of voters.

Just MHO