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Colonel West...you've got my back any time
Self | 6 Nov 2003 | Jeff Head

Posted on 11/06/2003 4:44:20 AM PST by Jeff Head

The following is Lt. Col. Allen B. West's own candid comment regarding the situation he faced in Iraq, as reported by the Washington Dispatch on November 5, 2003:

"I have never denied what happened and have always been brutally honest," said Col. West. "I accept responsibility for the episode, but my intent was to scare this individual and keep my soldiers out of a potential ambush. There were no further attacks from that town. We ... apprehended two other conspirators (a third fled town) and found out one of the conspirators was the father of a man we had detained for his Saddam Fedeyeen affiliation. "
Colonel West takes personal responsibility for his actions. He makes no bones about it, he threatened this Iraqi spy bodliy harm to get information from him. And that is what he was, a spy working within the Iraqi Police Force that has been established and supported by the coalition authority. As a spy, under the so-called rules of war, I believe he could have shot the man. Perhaps that is an angle that should be explored.

In either case, Colonel West's actions no doubt saved the lives of Americans...the lives he is principally responsible for...and that was his motivation.

He understood that while he may have violated the rules (and he admits to and takes responsibility for this as well)...he also understood he was going to do what had to be done, in a war zone, to save the lives of the men under his command.

The rules were written by men and women sitting in safe seats far away from combat and the brutal reality of the moment. For the most part they are good rules and should not be violated. But there are times when the SHTF that you have to do what you must to save the lives of those you are responsible for, American lives, and accomplish the mission. Colonel West knew his greater responsibility and he performed it, regardless of personal cost. The trait of a true leader in my book.

President Truman incinerated tens of thousands of Japanese to save hundreds of thousands of Americans...and in so doing he also saved millions of Japanese. In today's world and PC nomenclature this might be considered a war crime...a violation of the "rules". But back then it was heralded by the soldiers as a God-send...and by Americans back home as what had to be done to end the war. People who had seen for themsleves the cold reality of four years of World War.

That generation is dying out and it seems we have forgottent their experiences and the lessons.

The reality is, that by scaring this man in the fashion he did...West not only saved American lives...he saved the lives of Iraqis as well.

God bless you Colonel West...you've got my back any time!

Charlie Mike.

Jeff


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Free Republic; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: allenwest; colonelwest; combat; iraqifreedom; patriotism; valor; warzone; westforcongress; wildwest
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To: archy
Thanks for those photos of an An American hero. The first ones I have seen.

I think he is from one of the Carolinas (may be wrong)
81 posted on 11/06/2003 6:54:31 AM PST by Graybeard58
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To: Ispy4u
I'm a vet. I was boarded out of the USN because I flunked my hearing test on my physical after 13 years in Navy Blue.

I stated my opinion.

As near as I can figure, SSG matches up with PO2 which is what I held as I was reluctantly separated -- but that is neither here nor there.

When I was in the Nav, we prayed and hoped for officers that were more concerned about the mission and us than they were for their careers. And believe me, I do know about the ones who weren't.

This man looks like he was willing to break some rules to protect his men. To my mind, that means he is doing what an officer is paid to do. Even if that means he gets his nuts in a cracker later.

You disagree. So be it.

I stand by my original remark.

82 posted on 11/06/2003 6:58:06 AM PST by Ronin (Qui docet discit!)
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To: Sender
Yes. . .We need to get him back on duty Post Haste and
reprimand those who have interferred with the performance
of his duties.
83 posted on 11/06/2003 6:58:25 AM PST by Dog Anchor
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To: Poohbah
In war time, spys can be summarily executed.

Not under US law.

Remember Bob Marasco. Creighton Abrams faced being relieved of his command had he continued the murder charges against him, 5th Special Forces Group commadber Robert Rheault, and several others for having executed North Vietnamese double agent Thai Khac Chuyen, who had knowledge of the planned forthcoming US invasion [oops, I mean *incursion*] of Cambodia, after being told to do so by their CIA co-supervisors.

Once the snakeeaters let it leak that their legal defence was going to be that they had undertaken the *Operation Menu* pre-invasion reconnaisance probes of Cambodia, then a neutral territory in which the conduct of such operations, on the orders of the president, was at least technically a war crime for which responsibility could be placed all the way to the top, to include impeachment hearings, all the charges were dropped. Though of course, no one was bothering to so prosecute the North Vietnamese stationed on the Ho Chi Minh trail.

84 posted on 11/06/2003 6:59:10 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Ispy4u
Execution of spies is not the job of a LTC BN Commander. Nor is it his job to determine the prisoners/detainees status as a spy.

At least not in any of the wars in which we've been involved since 1945, none of which we've won.

Perhaps it's time to win one for a change.

-archy-/-

85 posted on 11/06/2003 7:00:46 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Poohbah
He took that chance and was correct. . .no Monday morning
quartebacking jackass.
86 posted on 11/06/2003 7:03:40 AM PST by Dog Anchor
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To: Ronin; Ragtime Cowgirl
This man looks like he was willing to break some rules to protect his men. To my mind, that means he is doing what an officer is paid to do. Even if that means he gets his nuts in a cracker later.

We'll know if in the next three or four months the enlisted men and junior officers of LTC West's battalion start filling in the blanks in the story.

Indeed, I reckon the December 2003 or January 2004 issue of Soldier of Fortune magazine will be a particularly interesting one....



Allen B. West
for U.S. Congress



87 posted on 11/06/2003 7:04:47 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Jeff Head
Reminiscent of Lt. Cdr. Bucher (USS Pueblo), who signed a phony confession to save his men. FReeper Foxhole Thread
88 posted on 11/06/2003 7:06:20 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: Graybeard58; Ragtime Cowgirl
Thanks for those photos of an An American hero. The first ones I have seen.

I think he is from one of the Carolinas (may be wrong)

I'll be watching the newspaper stories from those states for hometrown story references. Thanks.

89 posted on 11/06/2003 7:06:54 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: archy
The primary reason you can say we have won no wars since 1945 is because of political restrictions placed on the mission by the civilian command structure.

None of those incidents have anything to do with the way the military conducts itself to perform the missions as assigned.

Militarily we have won every conflict posed to US forces, stalemates and withdrawal of troops are decisions made above the military combattant command (formerly called CINC)level.

Many aspects of the Army have been infected with PC culture, but this area (conduct of soldiers) has remained clear to a Tee.
90 posted on 11/06/2003 7:09:09 AM PST by Ispy4u
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To: Eastbound
Reminiscent of Lt. Cdr. Bucher (USS Pueblo), who signed a phony confession to save his men. FReeper Foxhole Thread

In order to secure the release of LT Cdr Bucher and his men, the United States Government signed documents admitting that we had conducted germ warfare against the North Korean population.

I was not happy with the precedent set, but I most certainly am not displeased with the results.

But at the time, there were concerns that once the NK's had that signed governmental *confession,* they'd then execute the Pueblo's crew as *war criminals.* I'm just glad it didn't work out that way, and it's sad that the Pueblo episode was to a large extent overshadowed by the 1968 Tet Offensive in Vietnam.

-archy-/-

91 posted on 11/06/2003 7:11:47 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Ispy4u
Why would you question my ability to lead soldiers when you know nothing about me? Passive-aggressive?

No.
Just wary of people placed in positions of command, who have no problem keeping their brains in neutral, and "just following orders"; or rules.

Take a quick count of those on this thread willing to serve beside you on (2?) and those who would not (everybody else?).

There's a message there somewhere.

Of course you could be right and everybody else wrong. There is a name for that condition.

92 posted on 11/06/2003 7:13:26 AM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Jeff Head
I think he did the right thing, but I also think that the motions should be gone through and he should be reprimanded (slightly). As much as I hate to say it, the military has to follow the rules and regulations and to get in the position of saying "follow these rules and regulations, except when you think you shouldn't" would set a bad precedent. We have those rules and regulations for a reason, and it's to ultimately save lives of American troops. Yes, there are circumstances where they may have to be broken to save Americans, but at the same time, they can't be ignored afterwards.
93 posted on 11/06/2003 7:16:56 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Ispy4u
You have a problem with that?

Yes.
If anybody in my family or someone I care about is under your command.
Being led by an idiot is not a good thing.
Some people are educated way beyond their intelligence.

The military enables the most pathological and incompetent of people.
In private industry, you would be a legend in your own mind, always "right", and socially isolated.

94 posted on 11/06/2003 7:17:41 AM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Publius6961
LTC West had multitudes of options available to him to preserve the lives of his men while accomplishing his mission.

He chose the short cut. As a commander he has the freedom to change his operating procedures to enable his soldiers to be better prepared for an attack and/or lower the risk of an attack.

Short list off the top of my head:
1. change patrol routes/times
2. add patrols / use overwatch techniques
3. cancel patrols until more information can be obtained
4. request aerial overwatch/reconaissance

All of these and many more including combinations were at his disposal. He did not have to "just follow orders" as you bluntly put it. Commanders are given flexibility to operate, he ignored his other options.

The more I think about it the more clear it seems that he may have done it out of fear of assassination (which is what the original tip was about). I can't think up many more reasons for a competent commander to ignore so many options and choose the stupid one.
95 posted on 11/06/2003 7:26:06 AM PST by Ispy4u
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Big Bump For Heroic Col. West!
96 posted on 11/06/2003 7:26:53 AM PST by blackie
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To: Publius6961
The reply is already in post 95.

Leaders use options available to them, LTC West had many others.
97 posted on 11/06/2003 7:27:48 AM PST by Ispy4u
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To: archy
I was surprised to learn that the Pueblo is still held by NK and being used as a tourist attraction. :<

Concerning the islamo/homicide/suicide crazies, it should be clear to anyone that there is no effective conventional defense against the idiots. They aren't conducting a war, they are in the process of destroying the human race.

98 posted on 11/06/2003 7:28:09 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: Jeff Head
The solution is simple. Promote Col. West. Fire the JAG. Fight the enemy.
99 posted on 11/06/2003 7:33:59 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Ispy4u
Or how to lose a war in four simple steps ...
100 posted on 11/06/2003 7:35:02 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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