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Americans rally behind officer who foiled plot [Re: Lt. Col. Allen B. West]
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, November 5, 2003 | By Art Moore

Posted on 11/04/2003 11:00:26 PM PST by JohnHuang2

OPERATION: IRAQI FREEDOM
Americans rally behind officer who foiled plot
Family shares stress of assault charges, girls hear at school: 'Your daddy is no hero'

Posted: November 5, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Art Moore
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

A U.S. Army officer is facing assault charges for allegedly frightening an Iraqi into disclosing details of an impending ambush plot, but he's garnering support from Americans who regard him as a hero even while his daughters endure taunts from classmates.

Under threat of an attack, Lt. Col. Allen B. West, a battalion commander with the 4th Infantry Division, took charge of the interrogation of an Iraqi policeman, determined to flush out information as he warned subordinates "it could get ugly." Threatening to kill the Iraqi if he didn't talk, West fired a pistol near the policeman's head, prompting a flow of information that led to arrests and the probable foiling of a deadly attack.

In an interview with WorldNetDaily, West's attorney, retired Marine Corp Lt. Col. Neil Puckett, said he's received about 100 e-mails in support of his client, some from veterans who served in Korea and Vietnam.

"Nearly everyone says this guy is an American hero who should be commended rather than court martialed," Puckett said.

Army prosecutors believe, however, West's actions on Aug. 21 in the town of Saba al Boor, near Tikrit, violated the Uniform Military Code. He faces a wide range of possible outcomes from no disciplinary action to a sentence of up to eight years in prison.

Prosecutors gave West a choice – faces charges or resign early, losing retirement benefits. The 19-year veteran was scheduled to reach his 20-year retirement last Saturday.

West chose to face the charges, but already he has been relieved of his position, effectively ending a decorated military career that included a bronze star and another medal for valor in combat.

"He's under a lot of stress and is not sleeping well," Puckett said. "His wife is the same."

West's two daughters, who are with his wife Angela in Fort Hood, Texas, also are feeling the pressure.

Puckett said that since parents at the girl's school caught wind of the news "Mr. West is in trouble," the daughters are enduring taunts from classmates.

One of the daughters has started giving out a false last name to avoid kids making fun of her.

"The girls have been taught their daddy is a hero," Puckett said. "But now kids are coming up to them and saying, 'Your daddy is no hero.'"

Puckett said the family members are devout Christians, noting West is part of a Bible study.

Intervention?

The attorney plans to depart for Iraq Friday where he will conduct an Article 32 investigation – a procedure allowing him to present evidence supporting his argument charges should be dropped. The hearing is scheduled for Nov. 10, but Puckett has requested it be moved to Nov. 12 because he was appointed to the case late in the process.

Each individual command runs its own military justice system, he explained. After hearing the evidence and determining whether there is probable cause, the presiding colonel will make a recommendation to division commander Maj. Gen. Raymond Odierno, who has the authority to implement the recommendation or do something completely different.

The options range from doing nothing to a general court martial, which is a felony prosecution.

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has the power to intervene on West's behalf, "but he wouldn't normally do that," said Puckett.

More appropriate, he says, would be action by Acting Secretary of the Army Les Brownlee.

"This all could be short-circuited by the secretary of the Army saying, 'Somebody get me [West's] retirement request and I will process it through right now,'" Puckett said.

Spokesmen at the Pentagon and the Army's 4th Infantry at Fort Hood said they could not comment on a pending case.

The Army is concerned about what it should do to dissuade others from transgressing, Puckett acknowledged.

But he insists it's not entirely clear West did anything wrong.

"We could have a spirited debate about whether he transgressed at all," Puckett said. "Is firing a pistol near [the Iraqi's] head, but not at him, aggravated assault? I don't know. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't torture anyone."

Puckett acknowledged West "certainly used a psychological ploy."

"The fact is," the attorney said, "two trained interrogators, both female, worked with [the Iraqi policeman] for hours and hours, and he wouldn't talk, so they called their commander."

West strode into the room, according to Puckett, and said to the Iraqi, "If you don't give us this information, I'm going to kill you."

The policeman, "as a demonstration of his seriousness," responded to West with a smile and said, "I love you."

West then took the Iraqi outside and, with the help of colleagues, forced his head down. With one hand on the man's head – to provide protection – and the other holding the pistol, West fired into a weapons-clearing barrel filled with sand.

"There was an immediate outpouring of information," Puckett said. The man told my client everything he wanted to know."

That same evening, West made a full report to his superior and did not hear anything for many weeks.

Aggresive interrogation

Puckett believes U.S. forces in an intense battle in the Sunni Triangle near Tikrit with Saddam Hussein loyalists need special consideration to help ensure their success.

"Maybe we should propose interrogating a little more aggressively, as long as we don't hurt anybody," he said.

In July, he noted, another officer in the 4th Infantry reportedly used unorthodox methods to persuade an Iraqi general to turn himself in. According to the Washington Post, Col. David Hogg ordered the Iraqi officer's family be rounded up and held hostage. Hogg then sent word to the general that if he wanted to see his family again, he needed to comply.

The tactic worked, and the Iraqi general appeared in front of the U.S. base and surrendered. Puckett said there is a report that Hogg has been promoted.

"Here we have a guy using what might be considered by touchy feely types to be a questionable tactic," Puckett said. "But, in the same way, my client never intended to carry out the threat."

In such situations, time is of the essence, he argues.

"The sooner he gets the information, the better the chance to foil the ambush," he said of West. "Nobody can prove what would have happened had he not done that."

Puckett said if citizens want to get involved, they can contact their Congress member or the Army.

West can be contacted by e-mail and his wife has her own e-mail address.

Angela West also is in the process of setting up a legal fund for her husband.

Puckett said he welcomes communication with any experts in military law who might have ideas or information to pass on.

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To: Happy2BMe
Fortunately for your brother we aren't discussing what he and his unit did.

If they did what you imply, then keep the gorey details out for sure. There is no statute of limitations for war crimes so don't mention it again, you only jeopardize your brothers welfare (I'm genuinely concerned about that).

If atrocities are discovered or even falsely alleged that is a PR hit to our men in theater now. You may think PR is too PC to worry about but good PR saved a hell of a lot more lives than bad PR ever has.
41 posted on 11/05/2003 6:23:35 AM PST by Ispy4u
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To: Ispy4u
Okie Dokie - have it your way.

Guess the USMC officer was correct in his assessment.

Too bad.

42 posted on 11/05/2003 6:26:03 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Nurture terrorism in a neighborhood near you - donate to your local community mosque.)
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To: JohnHuang2
Whats next War Crime Tribunals for all living veterans who defended America...

They wont try Lon Horuchi but they will this man?

Hey why dont you look into Colon Powell for his role in covering up My Lai
or better yet look into under Sec State Armitage....whoops dont wanna go there...

But a Lt. Col who fires a weapon "Near" a POW to get him to devulge plans to wipe out Americans is a CRIME

Wholly crap...what kind of Kafka'esque military have we saddled ourselves with...

This guy is a Hero...he did the right thing..(imo he didnt go nearly as far as the situation warranted..)

He got the job done ..saved lives..and the prisoner still has his health...(and his testicles)...

If this is how the US treats its fighting men....they will no longer fight...for fear of getting into trouble...you may as well disarm them...and paint targets on them..

I would check and see if the JAG OFF has been to a mosque or islamic center lately for indoctrination...he ought to be charged imo..for sedition
43 posted on 11/05/2003 6:26:08 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Ispy4u
I still say that the Right Honorable Gentleman should be promoted from LTC to Col.

As for your other statements, I say this.

You were told in boot camp that assume could be used as one word or three words. Such as ASS-otta-U-and-ME. You, assume too much.

I was also enlisted, 0311. Served also in combat. I went on to better myself and become an Officer.

One should not assume too much.

I would have done the same thing to this Iraqi. I would have made sure that no one would be present during interrogation.

That way I would reduce the number of times the USMC would have to knock on a next- of-kin door and bring bad news of a Marine death.

Like I said, maybe you should volunteer for that duty. You could tell the family that the UCMJ bureaucracy did all it could do to save their son. No one was hurt and lives were saved. You seem to have no problem being a military bureaucrat.

If I were to walk pass this LTC one day, I would stop, and give him my best salute until he was out of my line of sight.

Like Pres. Lincoln said when informed of the victorious Gen. Grant's drunkard ness, "Buy that man a case of what ever he is drinking."

Promote that man to Full Col.

Again, you are dismissed.

44 posted on 11/05/2003 6:32:30 AM PST by TheCause (I love animals, they're delicious.)
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To: Publius6961
"Would I fight under Col West? In a heartbeat."

Add me to the list.


Ditto.
45 posted on 11/05/2003 6:37:57 AM PST by TheCause (I love animals, they're delicious.)
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To: Ispy4u
"Would I fight under Col West? In a heartbeat."

Add me to the list.


46 posted on 11/05/2003 6:38:22 AM PST by TheCause (I love animals, they're delicious.)
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To: TheCause
"I still say that the Right Honorable Gentleman should be promoted from LTC to Col."

Affirmative!

And to you sir, I proudly render my own salute.

Best.

47 posted on 11/05/2003 6:43:02 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Nurture terrorism in a neighborhood near you - donate to your local community mosque.)
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To: imadeepdiver
Ok answer a question for me. We signed the Geneva convention that gives prisoners of war certain rights.

I suggest that you re-read the article. The bastard was not a POW, he was a spy. And, according to the Geneva Conventions, a spy can be shot.

48 posted on 11/05/2003 6:46:41 AM PST by jackbill
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To: jackbill; TheCause
"The bastard was not a POW, he was a spy. And, according to the Geneva Conventions, a spy can be shot."

That sound like the thinking of a military leader interested in only two things:

#1: Winning the war.

#2: Saving the lives of his men.

49 posted on 11/05/2003 6:50:00 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Nurture terrorism in a neighborhood near you - donate to your local community mosque.)
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To: TheCause
Apparently you fail to realize how many lives you may cost us in the future.

If you alienate the people of the country you are in, you will find no aid or comfort in that land.

Do those things often enough and tips like the LTC got in the first place will be an ancient memory.

Consider me a beaurocrat if you like, but I am still serving, will continue to serve, and will follow my oath.

"I, _____, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

Words mean things, it isn't your call to decide when or when not to follow orders and adhere to the law.

Unless of course you support Clinton.
50 posted on 11/05/2003 6:51:33 AM PST by Ispy4u
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To: imadeepdiver
The Geneva Convention does NOT protect partisans, bandits, spys, and soldiers out uniform or in disguise. As far as "international law" is concerned the office had the right to execute the policeman right there. Its the UCMJ that the LTC is in trouble with, not the Geneva Convention.
51 posted on 11/05/2003 6:52:32 AM PST by Little Ray (When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!)
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To: Publius6961
puckwood@cox.net

 


52 posted on 11/05/2003 7:11:12 AM PST by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: Mr. Lucky
An enemy who wears the uniform of allied forces removes himself from protetion of the law of war...even if he surrenders.

Ahem. Punishment of that is an issue for the JAG Corps.

53 posted on 11/05/2003 8:24:08 AM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: jackbill
I suggest that you re-read the article. The bastard was not a POW, he was a spy. And, according to the Geneva Conventions, a spy can be shot.

Sure. After trial by court-martial. Oops...no trial.

54 posted on 11/05/2003 8:25:17 AM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: TheCause; Happy2BMe
You should read this article. To Find Peace In Sunni Triangle, Talk to the Sheiks

This commander is saving lives in his sector, do you support his methods?

55 posted on 11/05/2003 9:57:42 AM PST by Ispy4u
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To: Ispy4u
Were you the guy General Patton slapped in that movie?
56 posted on 11/05/2003 10:07:16 AM PST by TheCause (I love animals, they're delicious.)
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To: Happy2BMe
Hey ! You might wanna hear this. If you can't get it to work try
right click/'Save Target as' and save the file to your desktop.

George Patton


57 posted on 11/05/2003 10:18:27 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: TheCause
That is possibly the dumbest question anyone ever asked me.

Do you have anything intelligent to say or are you going to keep showing your idiocy here?
58 posted on 11/05/2003 10:25:35 AM PST by Ispy4u
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To: Happy2BMe


59 posted on 11/05/2003 10:27:28 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: Ispy4u
I will take that as an affirmative about the slap.

You said: "Do you have anything intelligent to say or are you going to keep showing your idiocy here?"


I said: Maybe in boot camp you had one to many blanket parties, I think you go hit in the head.

If I was an idiot, how would the USMC give me a commission and the Army keep you as a Sgt.?

Maybe you need to sit down with your CO and talk about some things. Clearly you have some issues.

Lighten up Francis, or I will call Sgt. Hulka with his big toe!



60 posted on 11/05/2003 10:38:27 AM PST by TheCause (I love animals, they're delicious.)
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