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This guy needs to pay a price for this. "I screwed up" doesn't cut it.
1 posted on 11/03/2003 3:51:43 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: Joe Brower; Squantos; harpseal; SLB; pocat; Travis McGee; wardaddy
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2 posted on 11/03/2003 3:53:17 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
There was a thread on this about a week ago where I was defending this guy for guarding his property .... allow me to take a minute to say taht this guy should be wired for sound at this point.

Killing criminals is one thing ... shooting them in the back is quite another. Misdemeanors do not rate pursuit and use of deadly force.

3 posted on 11/03/2003 3:56:58 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Virtue untested is innocence)
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To: AAABEST
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4 posted on 11/03/2003 4:00:36 AM PST by Consort
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To: dansangel
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5 posted on 11/03/2003 4:05:54 AM PST by .45MAN ("Less Law More Justice")
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To: AAABEST
Emergency room records show teen prankster shot in back

Hmmm ... do those records also indicate how long after he 'turned' (around) he was shot?

A mere fraction of a second?

Or ten seconds?

20 posted on 11/03/2003 5:37:52 AM PST by _Jim ( <--- Resources on Solar effects, effects on satellites, power systems)
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Ping.
21 posted on 11/03/2003 5:41:50 AM PST by Joe Brower ("If you need a lawyer to tell you what your rights are, you don't have any rights.")
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To: AAABEST
One of the more frightening and potentially dangerous crimes that can occur to a family is a home invasion. A home invasion is when robbers force their way into an occupied home, apartment or hotel room to commit a robbery or other crimes. It is particularly frightening because it violates our private space and the one place that we think of as our sanctuary.

Home invasion is like the residential form of an automobile carjacking and it is on the rise. Like the crime of carjacking, most police agencies don’t track home invasions as a separate crime. Most police agencies and the FBI will statistically record the crime as a residential burglary or a robbery. Without the ability to track the specific crime of home invasion, little can be done to alert the public as to the frequency of occurrence in their community or devise a law enforcement plan of action to control it.

CRIMINAL PROFILE

Residential burglars work mostly during the day and when a residence is more likely to be unoccupied. Most burglars work alone and tend to probe a neighborhood looking for the right residence and the right opportunity. Alarm signs and decals, bars on windows, strong locks and doors, big dogs, and alert neighbors can sometimes deter burglars. Also, burglars will avoid a confrontation and will usually flee when approached. Most burglaries do not result in violence unless the criminal is cornered and uses force to escape.

Home invasion robbers, in contrast, work more often at nights and on weekends when residences are more likely to be occupied. The home invaders will sometimes target the resident as well as the residence. The selection process may include a woman living alone, a senior citizen or a known drug dealer, for example. It is not unheard of for a robber to follow you home based on the value of the car you are driving or the jewelry you are wearing. Many home robbers have been in your home before as a delivery person, installer or repair vendor. Home robbers rarely work alone and rely on an overwhelming physical confrontation to gain control and instill fear in their victims. The greatest violence usually occurs during the initial confrontation and home invaders often come prepared with handcuffs, rope, duct tape, and firearms. Some in-home robbers appear to enjoy the intimidation, domination, and violence and some even claim it’s a "rush."

DANGEROUS TRENDS

The act of committing a home invasion is escalating much like carjacking. The reason for the increase seems to follow a similar pattern. Much like automobiles, the traditional commercial targets for robbers have hardened themselves against criminal attack and have reduced available cash. Technology has allowed commercial establishments to install affordable video surveillance systems, silent alarms, and other anti-crime deterrent devices. A residence can appear as a more attractive choice.

Home invaders know that they won't have to overcome alarm systems when the home is occupied or be worried about video cameras and silent alarms. Home robbers have privacy once inside and don’t have to deal with customers suddenly driving up or security patrols. Once the offenders take control of a residence they can force the occupants to open safes, locate hidden valuables, supply keys to the family car, and PIN numbers to their ATM cards. Home robbers will try to increase their escape time by disabling the phones and sometimes will leave their victims bound or incapacitated. It is not unheard of for robbers to load up the victim’s car with valuables and drive away without anyone in the neighborhood taking notice.

METHOD OF OPERATION

The most common point of attack is through the front door or garage. Sometimes the home invaders will simply kick open the door and confront everyone inside. More common is when the home invaders knock on the door first or ring the bell. The home invader hopes that the occupant will simply open the door, without question, in response to their knock. Unfortunately, many people do just that.

Home invaders will sometimes use a ruse or impersonation to get you to open the door. They have been known to pretend to be delivering a package, flowers or lie about an accident like hitting your parked car. Once the door is opened for them, the home invaders will use an explosive amount of force and threats to gain control of the home and produce fear in the victims. Once the occupants are under control the robbers will begin to collect your valuables.

http://www.crimedoctor.com/homeinvasion.htm
24 posted on 11/03/2003 5:46:14 AM PST by Dallas59
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I'm gonna wait for the "official" medical report that will "prove" facts before I confirm the shooters a sinner or saint. My initial read on this is that the homeowner "wasn't arrested" at the scene thus evidence at the scene that night made first responders believe the man acted in self defense. Based on my experience as a deputy.... that he walks free still has merit as to who ,what and when versus a little-gators "statements" from a hospital report.

A hospital report can relate the entry and exit wounds thus the kid did have a bullet hole in his back and that alone reported will drive the sympathy/outrage of the community which in turn will drive a DA to do something...anything......at least charge the guy with highway mopery , jaywalking er somethin.

Interesting case indeed. Keep me posted if ya will when ya see more AAA.

Just my "opinions" from my couch, a hunnered miles away....Stay Safe !

33 posted on 11/03/2003 8:33:05 AM PST by Squantos ("Ubi non accusator, ibi non judex.")
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To: AAABEST
Don't forget it was 1;30 in the morning. People are groggy just rousted out of sleep after a long days work, and in my neighborhood, no one stranger has ever knocked on the door after 9 PM in the last 50 years. Besides, in the dark under a porch roof it's hard to see.

Only an idiot harrasses people who are asleep. No, he didn't deserve to be shot, but if only his idiot parents had taught him even the most rudimentary forms of courtesy, this would never have happened.
34 posted on 11/03/2003 8:37:29 AM PST by Held_to_Ransom
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To: AAABEST
From Article:"It shows he was running away,"

That is a lie. How can it show he was running? He may have been running away, and if he was half way to the street and was then shot in the back, then the homeowner would be in the wrong. On the other hand, if he was hiding in the bushes with something in his hand, and spun around just a fraction of a second before being shot, then that is a different situation. Not enought information so far to know which is the case.

By the way, does anyone know whether the kids friend can be charged with murder, or is that just for people in the act of committing felonies? I know there was a case of a father shooting a robber holding up a Blockbuster where his son was getting off work. Robber B was charged in the Robber A's murder since they were robbing the store together when the father killed Robber A in self-defense.

36 posted on 11/03/2003 8:51:09 AM PST by On the Road to Serfdom
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Ping... More info on prank shooting story.
38 posted on 11/03/2003 8:53:22 AM PST by demlosers
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To: AAABEST
WOW! Levin shot the kid in the back!!

This kid must have seen the gun and ran for his life.

42 posted on 11/03/2003 9:25:50 AM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: AAABEST
This gets a Carl Rowan Award for half-cocked suburbanites driven by Dirty Harry fantasies...."Oh... it was only a teenage neighbor..." What fool answers the door late at night if you think it's a criminal at the door? What criminal rings the doorbell? Deadly force is reserved for self-defense. Shooting a kid in the back hardly qualifies.
That said, kids should think twice about trespassing late at night. Especially in that neighborhood, apparently.
51 posted on 11/03/2003 10:57:58 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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