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Two Americas: for how much longer can we prop-up the failed "Blue" America?
10/31/03

Posted on 10/31/2003 10:26:19 AM PST by pabianice

In reading other posts here on FR and in spending most of the day just reading (I'm a reporter), I am again struck how the US has split into two countries: "red" Bush America and "blue" Gore America. That's nit news. What's most compelling is how Bush America is increasingly having to prop-up the utterly failed Great Society/Gore America, and for just how much longer such a situation can exist.

Item: teacher disciplined for telling Mexican kids in her US class to stop disrupting the class (she's a "racist" for so doing). The other kids in the class continue to get no education and the Liberals think that's just fine -- for other kids. The LIberals opt out of the system by sending THIER kids to private schools.

Item: A conservative estimate puts as much as 35% of the American economy underground. Taxpayers are fed-up with having 50% or more of of their hard-earned pay taxed by the feds, the state, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. So peopledo the natural thing: opt out of the system by going cash-only, off the books.

Item: the blue states lead in victim disarmament, where the law-abiding are denied the constitutional right to self-defense while the Liberals turn a blind eye at violence from career criminals ("poor victims of a racist system"). Liberals make sure they live in guarded, gated communities, and never have to set foot in any scruffy areas as they drive their SUVs from gated home to gated office building. Others who can, opt out by leaving such areas for places where they can carry concealed if they wish and where criminals know they are likely to be shot.

Item: International embarrassments like Ted Kennedy give long, boozy speeches about the evils of President Bush while his devotees urinate themselves in the glow of their self-righteousness. Others simply ignore such crap and tune-into talk radio.

Item: "Blue" America is financially bankrupt, and California is a glaring example. "Blue" America has degenerated into a coven of grasping, mentally diminished, selfish, thuggish special interest groups who have become increasingly violent in fighting over what is left of the Big City Democratic machines that have run things for the past 150 years. The "blue" islands on the 2000 map can best be described as cancers on the national MRI -- blighted areas of malignant, imploding selfishness that are trying to spread across the entire national body. And the "red" nation has to keep paying for it.

I have to wonder how much longer this will be the case. The defacto separation of "red" and "blue" has already occurred, and is fat too profound to be fixed by any social "bussing." At what point does the whole scheme collapse? And how is this going to be expressed and dealt with in the coming 2004 elections?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bluezone; cwii; freestateproject; fsp; nh; porcupines; redvsblue; redzone
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To: JJDKII
I agree completely, and I have ideas about the endgame that I'm reluctant to say out loud.

Understand completely.

MM

81 posted on 10/31/2003 1:39:12 PM PST by MississippiMan
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To: Salgak
Texas going solo

We'll take Ok, Ark, Ks, and Neraska with us for $ 500 Alex.

82 posted on 10/31/2003 1:43:40 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Virtue untested is innocence)
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To: Centurion2000
And if the nation dissolves we'll take back our original territorial claims :)


83 posted on 10/31/2003 1:45:02 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Virtue untested is innocence)
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To: pabianice
The other kids in the class continue to get no education and the Liberals think that's just fine

Not really. The liberals think we need to give them more money to throw at the problem.

84 posted on 10/31/2003 1:45:55 PM PST by laredo44
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To: pabianice
Item: A conservative estimate puts as much as 35% of the American economy underground. Taxpayers are fed-up with having 50% or more of of their hard-earned pay taxed by the feds, the state, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. So peopledo the natural thing: opt out of the system by going cash-only, off the books

Yes, and union workers can't work off the books, so now tell me, who's a patriot? The suckers that underwrite your tax frauds? Guess so.

85 posted on 10/31/2003 1:49:40 PM PST by Held_to_Ransom
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To: Centurion2000
And if the nation dissolves we'll take back our original territorial claims Okay by me. I'm up in Northern Texas, presently known as Colorado.
86 posted on 10/31/2003 1:50:27 PM PST by Red Boots
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To: pabianice
Until the bluzone surrenders to the revolution.
87 posted on 10/31/2003 1:53:04 PM PST by bert (Don't Panic!)
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To: Paulus Invictus
When a surgeon sees positive evidence of a metastisizing cancer, he usually suggests cutting it out and soon.

This sounds like a true statement but it actually is not. In general once the cancer has started to metastasize it's too late and it does no good to remove it.

In general the treatment goal is to remove the cancer before the metastasis has begun.

It may seem that I'm just picking nits here but in fact the analogy may be particularly apt and the nit I'm picking may be more than just a nit. Point being, if the socialist cancer has already metastisized, it may be too late in the social realm as well as the biologic one.

88 posted on 10/31/2003 1:59:54 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Naah, the cancer analogy is not a perfect one. In the political sense, it may yet be possible to excise the disease. However, the moderators would frown on an accurate description of how that may be accomplished.
89 posted on 10/31/2003 2:28:07 PM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Catspaw
It's STILL too early to shoot the bastards.
90 posted on 10/31/2003 2:33:08 PM PST by ThanhPhero (Ong lam hanh huong di La Vang)
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To: Question_Assumptions
Where does all that money go? You might want to take a look at some of those states that voted for Bush. Think military bases, farm subsidies, and federal pork barrel spending.

I'd be curious as to the demographics. Most of Federal spending is for 'entitlements', including Social Security. Many retirees head for these 'red' states because the cost of living is cheaper. I've no idea how many do this, though; if it's a significant percentage.

91 posted on 10/31/2003 2:59:35 PM PST by nosofar
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To: Salgak
I Hillary gets elected you're probably right.
92 posted on 10/31/2003 3:01:51 PM PST by Chuckster ("Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." George Bernard Shaw)
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To: agarrett
California sends more money to the federal government than it gets back - a trait shared by many of the "blue" states. The heartland states - the "red" ones - tend to be the opposite, getting more from the federal government than they send in. In effect, California is running a deficit in order to support the heartland.

Another view is that the Blue counties (forget the states) are all coastal ports/industrial centers or the Mississippi River (think barge traffic). So, it isn't unreasonable to expect the big revenue generators to be located near the ports. The heartland is either the farmland that feeds the rest of the country or remote protected national parkland.

-PJ

93 posted on 10/31/2003 3:14:17 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: harpseal
In point of fact the divide is not really red states versus blue states as those states in the red column have substantial blue voters and likewise those states in the blue column have substantial red voters.

A copy of DNC & green party mailing lists would be helpful in sorting things out.

94 posted on 10/31/2003 3:20:55 PM PST by Freebird Forever
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To: Paulus Invictus
When a surgeon sees positive evidence of a metastisizing cancer, he usually suggests cutting it out and soon. I wonder if the idea would be appropriate for the RAT-infested Blues?

Brilliant idea. However, President Bush lost my state by 5709 votes and would have probably won had their been a recount and a thorough investigation into voting irregularities, but if you want Wisconsin out of the Union, well, hey, show us the door.

You also might want to tell the GOP that instead of Wisconsin being high on the list of target states to just forfeit it in 2004 to the Dems.

Is that what you want?

95 posted on 10/31/2003 3:52:04 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: Salgak
"And in the end, I see 4-7 nations coming out of what WAS the US and Canada. . . "

John Titor where are you?

96 posted on 10/31/2003 4:05:27 PM PST by truthandjustice1
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To: pabianice
It's long past time for Atlas to shrug.
97 posted on 10/31/2003 4:49:38 PM PST by Noumenon (I don't have enough guns and ammo to start a war - but I do have enough to finish one.)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
For the left to suddenly lose power is like half a nation of heroin addicts having their junk flushed down the drain all at once.

Apt metaphor. It'll get more than ugly. Prepare for war.

98 posted on 10/31/2003 4:53:17 PM PST by Noumenon (I don't have enough guns and ammo to start a war - but I do have enough to finish one.)
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To: ThanhPhero
It's later than you think.
99 posted on 10/31/2003 4:57:38 PM PST by Noumenon (I don't have enough guns and ammo to start a war - but I do have enough to finish one.)
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To: pabianice
What I want to know, while we're on the subject, is this: who picked the colors? Or rather, who assigned the colors? Ever since the famous map came out, I've always been ticked off that someone picked "red" for the conservatives, when in fact, it makes infinitely more sense for the commie-libs to be the "reds", right?
100 posted on 10/31/2003 5:08:45 PM PST by handk (The moon belongs to America, and anxiously awaits our Astro-Men. Will you be among them?)
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