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Case Pitting Muslims Against Christians Moves Forward in Australia
Crosswalk.com ^ | 10/31/2003 | Patrick Goodenough

Posted on 10/31/2003 9:53:25 AM PST by HarleyD

A legal tribunal in an Australian state will proceed with a case in which Muslims have accused Christians of vilifying Islam. The tribunal rejected arguments that it lacks the authority to hear the case.

The Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal is hearing the first case of its kind under Victoria's hate laws, which penalize anyone found guilty of inciting hatred, contempt or revulsion on the grounds of race or religious belief.

The Islamic Council of Victoria and three individual Muslims have brought the complaint against an evangelical Christian organization, Catch the Fire Ministries, which ran a seminar on Islam last year.

The complainants accuse the group of vilifying Islam during the seminar and on its Internet website, and want a retraction, an apology and compensation.

The Christians' legal counsel, David Perkins, argued that the tribunal could not hear the case because Australia's constitution, which is deemed to protect free speech, is in conflict with that state's Racial and Religious Toleration Act, under which the complaint was brought. The controversial Act was passed by the state's Labor government two years ago.

But presiding Judge Michael Higgins ruled that the state's legislation was not affected by federal laws, and the case is going ahead.

The Islamic Council of Victoria's legal representative, Brind Woinarski, told the tribunal seminar speaker Daniel Scot had alleged that the Quran encouraged violence, and that Muslims in Australia planned to turn the country into an Islamic state.

Scot, who claims to be an expert on Islam, told the audience Islam sanctioned lies and deceit when dealing with non-Muslims, he said.

Scot had also claimed that Muslims ascribe the same value to women as they do to a donkey or a dog, said Woinarski, who argued that the Racial and Religious Toleration Act was put in place to prevent such stereotyping.

Facing the complaints are Scot, an Islamic studies scholar who fled Pakistan in 1987 because of religious persecution; and Catch the Fire president Danny Nalliah, a Sri Lankan-born pastor. Both are now residents of Australia.

Perkins argued earlier that Catch the Fire's activities were exempt from the legislation.

The law includes several exemptions, including one for cases where it is established that a person acted in good faith, in discussion or debate for a genuine religious purpose.

Perkins said further that, while the law dealt with inciting hatred, contempt and revulsion, the ministry "exhorted Christians to love Muslims and pray for them."

In its lengthy defense statement, Catch the Fire has responded to each complaint in turn, asserting that the seminar had accurately reflected the Quran and other important Islamic texts.

Christian groups working in the Muslim world have voiced concern about the case.

An organization called Voice of the Martyrs, headquarters in Oklahoma, said Nalliah and Scot would not be allowed to argue on the basis of whether or not their statements were true, but only on whether or not they incited hatred against Muslims.

"This case is a wake-up call for Western Christians," said the group's spokesman, Todd Nettleton. "These men are not on trial for telling lies. They are on trial - in what we would call a free nation - for telling the truth."

Earlier a UK-based Christian organization called the Barnabas Fund, headed by a respected expert on Islam, also decried the case.

"This is an indication of the growing trend to place Islamic teaching and Muslim actions beyond the bounds of criticism, not only in the Islamic world, but also, as a result of misguided ideas of political correctness, in the West as well," it said.

Originally set down for three days, the ICV versus Catch the Fire case was already on its seventh day Monday and was continuing, a tribunal spokesman said.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: australia; barnabasfund; christianpersecution; islam; lawsuit
It won't be long before we have the these issues here.
1 posted on 10/31/2003 9:53:25 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
How about that general? I heard the audio on the 700 club from what he actually said vs what the media reported him to say and its sickening.
2 posted on 10/31/2003 9:56:09 AM PST by Naspino (I am in no way associated with the views expressed in my posts.)
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To: HarleyD
Why do muslims want to live in this country? They seem to hate our way of life, the disagree with our beleifs.

They are forever challenging and changing our schools to fit their schedules.

Then they complain about how our hatred towards them. I mean I would never live in the ME, regardless of its beauty. why because they truly hate us
3 posted on 10/31/2003 10:11:44 AM PST by hapy
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To: windcliff
Camp Of The Saints
4 posted on 10/31/2003 10:14:10 AM PST by onedoug
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To: HarleyD
Please see the web site for the Voice of the Matyrs:


WWW.PERSECUTION.COM
5 posted on 10/31/2003 10:15:16 AM PST by FreeManWhoCan
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To: HarleyD; Naspino
We're already having them, as in the case of General Boykin, whose statements were completely twisted by a media that for some reason wants to portray Christians as evil and Muslims as victims. (You're right, what the press implied that Boykin said bore no relation to his actual statements, which, you note, they never quoted verbatim.)

So far, it has all been informal, but I'm sure CAIR is working on a way to use US "hate crimes" laws to silence any honest discussion of Islam.
6 posted on 10/31/2003 10:15:56 AM PST by livius
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To: HarleyD
"This is an indication of the growing trend to place Islamic teaching and Muslim actions beyond the bounds of criticism, not only in the Islamic world, but also, as a result of misguided ideas of political correctness, in the West as well," it said.

Something wicked this way comes...

7 posted on 10/31/2003 10:16:42 AM PST by cardinal4 (Hillary and Clark rhymes with Ft Marcy park...)
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To: diotima
Ping.
8 posted on 10/31/2003 10:28:08 AM PST by AnnaZ (::: RADIOFR :: Hi-Fi FReepin' 24/7 ::: http://www.theotherradionetwork.com/pgs/rfr_schedule.htm :::)
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To: HarleyD
Thank God for the First Amendment hear (that is until the Supreme Court reinterprets it to allow laws banning a vague term like "hate speech".
9 posted on 10/31/2003 10:37:12 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: onedoug
You got that right.
10 posted on 10/31/2003 10:54:10 AM PST by windcliff
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To: HarleyD
"This case is a wake-up call for Western Christians," said the group's spokesman, Todd Nettleton. "These men are not on trial for telling lies. They are on trial - in what we would call a free nation - for telling the truth."

Scary thought
11 posted on 11/01/2003 6:32:41 PM PST by Michael2001 (Every man lives, and every man dies, but not every man truly lives)
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