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Senate passed Healthy Forest Bill 1904
C-Span | 1030-03 | azkathy

Posted on 10/30/2003 6:31:26 PM PST by azkathy

The Senate just voted on the Healthy Forest bill 1904, and passed it 80-14. Fire up the Chain saws let's get rid of some beetle trees! (It still has to go back to the house.)


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1 posted on 10/30/2003 6:31:27 PM PST by azkathy
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To: azkathy
Salley forth the expert chainsaw-men.
2 posted on 10/30/2003 6:35:02 PM PST by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: azkathy
Fire up the Chain saws let's get rid of some beetle trees!

Works for me

BTW .. who voted against this bill?

3 posted on 10/30/2003 6:36:43 PM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: azkathy
Wonder who the 14 were that voted against it? Whoever voted against it needs to get out on the fire lines in SoCal to see first hand what their environmental policies have done to a beautiful state and the San Bernardino Mountain resorts.
4 posted on 10/30/2003 6:36:54 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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To: azkathy

5 posted on 10/30/2003 6:40:07 PM PST by Pubbie (Vote "No" On Recall, "Yes" On Bustamante)
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To: Brad's Gramma
Wanted you to see this.
6 posted on 10/30/2003 6:42:01 PM PST by hoosiermama (Prayers for all!)
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To: PhiKapMom
They usually cover their real intent by saying that they couldn't vote for such and such a bill because it fails to take into account this or that, or "leaves the door wide open" to some unfounded potential horror that only exists in their heads. They insist that Americans deserve perfection.

Later on, the same people will vote for an insane and restrictive measure that favors their own little socialist pet projects, saying something along the lines of "I'll be the first to admit it's not a perfect bill, but it's the first step towards [closing the door on some unfounded potential horror that only exists in their heads]".

When you see them talking like this with a very serious voice, be assured that they are lying about their true intent.

7 posted on 10/30/2003 6:42:34 PM PST by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: azkathy
Thanks for posting. This is good news.
8 posted on 10/30/2003 6:43:10 PM PST by Judith Anne (Cyanide, mercury, and botulinum toxin are medically and industrially useful friends to mankind.)
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To: The KG9 Kid
When you see them talking like this with a very serious voice, be assured that they are lying about their true intent.

Almost accurate, but not quite. Please allow me to correct:

When you see them talking, be assured that they are lying about their true intent.

9 posted on 10/30/2003 6:44:40 PM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: Kahuna
Over here!
10 posted on 10/30/2003 6:45:44 PM PST by hoosiermama (Prayers for all!)
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To: hoosiermama
Oh. OK. BRB
11 posted on 10/30/2003 6:46:38 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: Luke Skyfreeper
I call it 'Feinsteining'.

That stern, grandmotherly, 'pretending-to-be-wise-with-scarcely-concealed-outrage' monotone speech pattern, I mean.

12 posted on 10/30/2003 6:47:19 PM PST by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: All

Logging is Hazardous to the Forests! Stop the Logging! Save the Spotted Owl!

13 posted on 10/30/2003 6:47:54 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: hoosiermama
Is that what ya meant?
14 posted on 10/30/2003 6:48:27 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: azkathy
Great news, but way too late. For the past two years we have narrowly missed loosing a home in Arizona due to forest fires, and now California has suffered major damage.
15 posted on 10/30/2003 6:49:38 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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16 posted on 10/30/2003 6:51:43 PM PST by South40
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To: azkathy
Here's the AP story...
Senate Approves Forest Management Plan

By H. JOSEF HEBERT
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP)--Against the backdrop of raging wildfires in the West, the Senate approved a forest management plan late Thursday that would allow expanded tree thinning on 20 million acres of federal land to reduce the risk of fires.

Meanwhile, the House approved a record $2.9 billion for firefighting and fire protection in federal forests as part of a $20.2 billion spending bill for the Interior Department.

The congressional debate over the forest bill and the firefighting money took on urgency because of the devastating wildfires that this week have destroyed more than 2,600 homes and blackened 730,000 acres across southern California.

``There is a tremendous lesson in these fires. That the land has to be managed,'' said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., a leading co-sponsor of the compromise forest bill. The Senate approved it by a vote of 80-14.

The compromise bill must now be merged with legislation passed by the House in May, which would allow more aggressive and more wide spread tree cutting than approved by the Senate.

The legislation, a modified version of President Bush's ``healthy forest'' initiative, calls for establishing expedited procedures for tree thinning on 20 million acres of federal forests that are especially susceptible to fire threat and in many cases are close to populated areas.

The bill would authorize, subject to future appropriations, $760 million a year for forest management, more than double current spending. About half the money would be earmarked for forests situated in areas where wild lands begin to merge with populated areas.

Environmentalists have criticized the legislation because it would allow forest-thinning without environmental reviews and with limited--and in some cases no--judicial review. They accused lawmakers of using the Western wildfires to open federal forests to new logging, including the cutting of mature trees.

Feinstein and other supporters of the bill rejected the criticism and said the compromise was designed to limit logging to only the most at-risk forest lands out of the 190 million acres of federal forests. They said it specifically includes protection for large old-growth forests.

``For those who have been so worried that we're going to log the forests to death. They have watched them burn to death,'' said Sen. Pete Domenici, R-N.M. ``It's high time we fix it.''

Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., said old growth forests will continue to be protected. ``Even with respect to the amount of acreage to be thinned, it is a fraction of the work necessary in high risk areas,'' he said.

The Bush administration supported the Senate bill and said it would provide ``the needed flexibility to manage public lands wisely'' and implement a forest management plan ``good for both the environment and our economy.''

The firefighting funds approved by the House by a 216-205 vote would provide $800 million for battling wildfires, an increase of nearly $300 million over the current budget. It also would allocate $937 million this fiscal year for activities such as tree thinning aimed at reducing the wildfire threat.

Supporters of the ``healthy forest'' bill in the Senate argued that a buildup of dead trees, brush and undergrowth has aggravated the fire threat and resulted in the kinds of wildfires that have devastated much of the West in recent years including the current fires in California and Colorado.

During the day, a series of amendments came up seeking to further limit the tree thinning program. But each was defeated as was a proposal by Sen. Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M., to funnel more of the forest protection fund to areas close to populated areas.

A proposal to limit the program to five years, offered by Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, was defeated 61-31. Domenici said the job of improving forest health to significantly reduce the threat of wildfires could take 15 years or more.

AP-NY-10-30-03 2127EST

17 posted on 10/30/2003 6:52:01 PM PST by Redcloak (I was going to write something clever here.)
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To: azkathy
Leaping from tree to tree, as they float down the mighty rivers of British Columbia. The Giant Redwood. The Larch. The Fir! The mighty Scots Pine! The lofty flowering Cherry! The plucky little Apsen! The limping Roo tree of Nigeria. The towering Wattle of Aldershot! The Maidenhead Weeping Water Plant! The naughty Leicestershire Flashing Oak! The flatulent Elm of West Ruislip! The Quercus Maximus Bamber Gascoigni! The Epigillus! The Barter Hughius Greenus!

With my best buddy by my side, we'd sing! Sing! Sing!

18 posted on 10/30/2003 6:55:57 PM PST by P.O.E.
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This V-8 chainsaw should speed things up...

http://www.bogsquad.co.uk/V8ChainSaw.mpg
19 posted on 10/30/2003 7:11:40 PM PST by TSgt (I am proudly featured on U.S. Rep Rob Portman's homepage: http://www.house.gov/portman/)
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To: azkathy
The Senate just voted on the Healthy Forest bill 1904

Well, golly gee, that sure sounds like they are on the ball down there in DeeCee. Now if they will only extend the moratorium, or make a permanent law, before tomorrow night at midnight (when the current moratorium expires) to not allow taxes on access to the internet, I might be a bit more proud of them.

20 posted on 10/30/2003 7:17:30 PM PST by eeriegeno
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