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To: John O
OK. Let's start from scratch here. Maybe there is a different error in your thought process that needs to be corrected before we can have this discussion
Define for me how some guy sitting in Rome wearing a funny hat is the bible.

Guess what? The Apollo moon landings weren't "biblical" either.

And I'm not about to waste my breath on some fringe lunatic fundamentalist who's focused on selective misinterpretation and hair-splitting.

The biblical references, as I stated before, are listed as footnotes at the end of each encyclical. More thoughtful readers may view them their if they wish. If you don't have the intellectual capacity to follow the pope's logic in applying Christian biblical teaching to more contemporary situations, that is your problem, not mine.

Furthermore, you can also take your disrespectful Anti-Catholic papal bashing and stick it where the sun don't shine.

BTW, both Karl Marx and Ayn Rand were atheists. It isn't surprising at all that you worshippers of corporatism would mock moral authority.

100 posted on 11/04/2003 9:37:27 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
Unions prevent people from working. By force if necessary. They are immoral for that reason.
101 posted on 11/04/2003 10:31:07 AM PST by Protagoras (Hating Democrats doesn't make you a conservative.)
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To: Willie Green
Guess what? The Apollo moon landings weren't "biblical" either.

We are commanded to subdue the world. The moon belongs to this world so to subdue it we must be there. Therefore exploration is biblical. I'm certain with a little more thought I can come up with even more scripture to support this but it's off topic.

The biblical references, as I stated before, are listed as footnotes at the end of each encyclical.

Which if you read them you would realize that they DO NOT discuss unionism or collective bargaining. The only scriptural reference that comes close to that topic is the one I gave in my original reply.

If you don't have the intellectual capacity to follow the pope's logic in applying Christian biblical teaching to more contemporary situations, that is your problem, not mine.

Have you even read the encyclicals? They do not use scripture to establish their points. Everything is by papal fiat. Read them again and check the references this time. The only things established with scriptural basis are private ownership of property and mutual aid societies (which are not labor unions BTW)

Furthermore, you can also take your disrespectful Anti-Catholic papal bashing and stick it where the sun don't shine.

While I'll admit it was slightly disrespectful it was not pope or Catholic bashing. The guy sits on St Peters throne in Rome, right? He wears a miter which anyone can tell you is a funny hat, right? So my statement was factually correct. The truth is never a bash.

Now if I were to bash the popes I'd state that in their own words they encourage Catholics to sin. I know of no greater way to bash them than that. (and as is seen from JPII's encyclical this is also factual)

Now I ask you to get over your Catholic only view of the world and read the bible and show me where unions are authorized.

BTW, both Karl Marx and Ayn Rand were atheists. It isn't surprising at all that you worshippers of corporatism would mock moral authority.

I've never read Marx and I've never read Rand. From the snippets I've seen of them their writing styles are exceedingly boring to me (others mileage may vary) and their moral starting point is so wrong that it destroys any credibility for their arguments

Also I don't worship corporatism. I worship the Living God, Jesus Christ (who established private ownership of property) and try my best to follow the written instructions He gave us. So if the bible speaks against it how can I support it. As far as I can tell from my study of the Word, there is no authority for unions and the only scriptures that come close to touching the subject speak against it. So unless you can show me biblical support for unions I have to be against them

I have read the bible, the Word of God. Moral authority is established on the Word of God. That's why I keep asking you to show me from the bible where unions are authorized.

In this entire discussion I have tried hard not to insult you. Why do you feel the need to insult me. Either admit that there is no scriptural basis for unions or prove that there is. You don't have to attack me because you don't like the truth of my statements

122 posted on 11/05/2003 4:21:29 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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