LIBERAL ENVRIRONMENTAL POLICIES;COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE, DANGERIOUS AND DEADLY

THE LOGICAL VIEW ^ | 10/30/03 | MARK A SITY

[finnsheep]

What needs to happen is the folks who have lost their homes or, worse yet, family members need to sue the environmental groups that sued to prevent logging or thinning even of dead trees in the area where the fire occurred. 66% of thinning and brush removal projects were held up by environmentalist lawsuits which were later thrown out, but substantial delays happened and dollars that could have been spent on removal of brush and trees was spent on lawyering.

If a few class action suits are successful against enviro-groups, they won't be able to get insurance and will cease to operate (like the doctors) in that state.

[Marylander]

I may want to send this piece (minus the tv ad suggestion)to my liberal soon-to-be-former friends as a letter to the editor on Free Republic.com. Would that be a correct representation? I would include your name, but as to directing them to your web site, they wouldn't read past the Diane Frankenstein thing there.

The points you make above are similar to ones I made that had some influence on a liberal I know who has a degree in botany. I prefer your presentation because it is much more detailed and authoritative sounding.

[buffyt]

We have lived in Calif. three times. I remember walking in Sequoia national forest and being told by a forest ranger that you can't even pick up one dead pine cone to take with you. The forests are now a huge keg of kindling. A tossed match or cigarette is deadly to them. They need to clean out the dead wood and underbrush at least in enough areas to cut down on fire. They have burned down the forest to "save the underbrush and dead wood".

[meenie]

The main support for enviral groups came in the form of control. Everybody that wished to show that they had the means to control joined the enviral bandwagon. Politicians, elite, rich contributors, socialists, joined to exhibit their power to control. They forget that Mother Nature had more power than they, if She decided to go on a rampage. The "greenest" of all states has been the victim.

This does not take into account the damage that has been suffered over a longer period of time in many other settings, against many other victims. The ebb and flow of the many victims dispossessed in other enviromental mistakes has been unnoticed because of the small number involved at any given time. It took California to bring attention to the disaster our enviromental laws have caused.

[nicmarlo]

BTTT

[buffyt]

That is true. Just heard yesterday that in Houston the enviroMENTALwackos are now concerned about the Houston Toad, and they don't care about the Houston PEOPLE. They are trying to block development. Last time I checked humans were way up the scale above TOADS.

[SierraWasp]

They want the US to suffer from ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT!!!

[Marauder]

Last time I checked humans were way up the scale above TOADS.

I happen to agree with that statement, but only in the case of environmentalists, whom I consider sub-human.

finnsheep's scenario of scoring a knockout punch against the green weenie mobs with class-action lawsuits is something I fervently hope will happen.

Remember that Daschle voted not to allow cleaning out the undergrowth tinder in any state except his own South Dakota.

[yoswif]

If any federal prosecutor in Southern California had sufficient courage, they'd get a federal grand jury to look at the forest service bureaucracy, "environmental groups", and politicians that have produced this "the only good trees are dead, dying, or spewing smoke" federal forest management policy. Was mismanagement deliberate for the purpose of increasing management costs? Who benefits from increased management costs? Was mismanagement deliberate to make well managed foreign government, corporate, and privately owned forests more valuable? Who pays politicians and "environmental groups" to promote disastrous environmental policies on federal forest land?

What federal forest managers, "environmental groups", and powerful politicians are doing to federal forests for the financial benefit of themselves, as well as foreign government, corporate, and private forest land owners, should be seen as fraud and a criminal conspiracy.

[farmfriend]

Have you talked to Carry_Okie? Or read Carry_okie's book? If not, you should.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Thanks for the ping!

The OC Register has a story this morning on the bark beetle and its destruction and how FEMA denied last Friday a request from Gov Davis for money to clean out the dead trees in the San Bernandino Natl Forest.

[farmfriend]

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[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!

[Carry_Okie]

What needs to happen is the folks who have lost their homes or, worse yet, family members need to sue the environmental groups that sued to prevent logging or thinning even of dead trees in the area where the fire occurred. 66% of thinning and brush removal projects were held up by environmentalist lawsuits which were later thrown out, but substantial delays happened and dollars that could have been spent on removal of brush and trees was spent on lawyering.

The environmental groups are exempt from lawsuit. Clinton invoked EO-12986 to indemnify members of the International Union for the Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources (IUCN) from all civil liability. The IUCN is essentially the EPA of the UN. Bush has not rescinded that EO.

[logic101.net]

Interesting take; use their own weapons against them. I like it! My second published ltr to the editor in the local rag was about the tobacco law suits titled "who's job next". I really like your idea of bringing that scheme back on them!

Mark A Sity

[logic101.net]

Well, MS Frankensien scares me too! Sure, go ahead and forward it. Too bad you don't want to also send the ad part also though! Best wishes, Mark A Sity

[logic101.net]

What is so amazing is that it is so obvious that the cause of this devistation was radical eco-nuts being given a blank check. But who will have the guts to say it? No one in the main-line press! Sure on Rush's show and other talk radio programs you will get the info, but that is about it.

And people wonder why they feel confused!

Mark A Sity

[logic101.net]

You fail to get the point of the eco-nuts. People don't matter. Nor do the critters they made crispy matter. What really matters is that the eco-nuts get whatever they want.

Think of them as spoiled 2 yr olds.

Mark A Sity

PS. Facts don't matter either.

[logic101.net]

Thank you