[hchutch]

Better to be isolated doing the right thing than to be with the crowd ignoring a threat or worse.

We learned from England's mistake at Munich.

Meanwhile, Pat Buchanan's being a Copperhead again.

[jwalsh07]

Is Pat hitting the sauce again?

[Keith]

So this is the latest missive from Pat Vallandigham?

...look it up....

[Mad Dawgg]

"Pat asks, "Is Bush Seeking a 'Decent Interval'?" (on Iraq withdrawal)"

Mad Dawgg asks: "Is Pat off his meds... again?"

[anoldafvet]

Pat, you're a has-been, why don't you just go away and STFU.

[Petronski]

We are virtually friendless in Baghdad.

"Virtually?" I guess the Iraqis [virtually all of them] want us out and by force of logic a return to status quo ante.

Right.

[FairOpinion]

It's a disgrace to even ask. If we withdraw, we are letting the terrorists win, which encourages them to perform more terrorist attacks and kill more Americans.

We should remember that:

"Somalia was a sign to bin Laden. The US was weak. In August 1993, after a series of bloody attacks on U.N. peacekeepers in Somalia, President Clinton launched a mission: he sent in a force of Rangers and Special Forces units to capture the brutal warlord Mohammad Farrah Aidid and restore order. In the ensuing urban gun battle, 18 American soldiers were killed and another 73 injured. On the Somali side there were 1,500 casualties. The Clinton administration began withdrawal of US forces in October, 1993. This told bin Laden that the US had no stomach for war casualties.

bin laden 1st fatwah 1996

"But your most disgraceful case was in Somalia; where- after vigorous propaganda about the power of the USA and its post cold war leadership of the new world order- you moved tens of thousands of international force, including twenty eight thousands American solders into Somalia. However, when tens of your solders were killed in minor battles and one American Pilot was dragged in the streets of Mogadishu you left the area carrying disappointment, humiliation, defeat and your dead with you. Clinton appeared in front of the whole world threatening and promising revenge , but these threats were merely a preparation for withdrawal. You have been disgraced by Allah and you withdrew; the extent of your impotence and weaknesses became very clear. It was a pleasure for the "heart" of every Muslim and a remedy to the "chests" of believing nations to see you defeated in the three Islamic cities of Beirut , Aden and Mogadishu.

Al Qaeda saw US withdrawal from Somalia, as a sign of weakness

[Huck]

Indeed, his actions—going back, hat in hand, to a UN he called “irrelevant”

He never called the UN irrelevant. Pat's a liar.

[Sofa King]

"The president’s problem in Iraq is the result of an unnecessary war. But it is our problem now. Solution: admit the mistake, turn around, get out with all deliberate speed. We liberated Iraq from Saddam, but the future of Iraq is for them to decide, not us."

Yeah- that worked so well in Afghanistan (the first time around with the Soviets).

[Pan_Yans Wife]

Another rhetorical question from Buchanan. He gets paid to write this drivel? Amazing.

[XJarhead]

Talk about three false choices....

Declaring victory and getting out now would make us look bad. Declaring victory after the Iraqis have a constitution and elections makes us look good.

We don't have to stay in Iraq indefinitely, we don't have to pacify the entire country, and we don't have to seal the borders. We need stay in Iraq only long enough for them to get their own government in power so that we can turn responsibility over to them.

[uncbob]

America would be as isolated in the “international community” as Ariel Sharon.

so what'sPat bitching a bout
He preaches islolationism and wants us out of NATO(as do I)

I guess he was happy that we had all our friends agreeing with us on the Balkan War(NOT)

[KantianBurke]

"Indeed, his actions—going back, hat in hand, to a UN he called “irrelevant” to ask for help in reconstituting Iraq, going to allies he and Rumsfeld dismissed as “Old Europe” to ask for troops, telling the nation we will transfer power to Iraqis as soon as possible"

[Jim Noble]

If the president intends to pacify the Sunni Triangle and seal the roads to Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Iran, he will need far more than the 130,000 U.S. troops currently in country.

As I have been posting since 9/01, what is required is the occupation and subjection of Arabia and SW Asia.

This, in turn, requires an Army of at least ten million.

It is much worse to fight the Islamists on their own turf and lose that it is to try to make peace with them.

I do not advocate peacemaking, since it simply puts off but does not eliminate the threat to our safety.

I support a wider war.

I do not support provoking chaos in Iraq, and then failing to suppress it.

President Bush and his State Department apparantly really, really believe in the myth of "moderate Muslims", who, once freed from their evil rulers will become happy world citizens.

The Administration wants to build the world a home, and furnish it with love.

They should want to crush our enemies, see them driven before us, and listen to the lamentations of their women.

Yes, I know the RATs are worse-much worse.

Yes, I am planning to vote for Bush.

But that does not mean I subscribe to willful self delusion about the war. or about our enemies.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

I have an even better solution, one that will annoy the crap out of the paleocons - every time a bomb goes off, a radical mosque meets dynamite and a violence exhorting mullah gets whacked. This goes along with a plan of secret assassination of every Saudi prince and oilman who ever wrote a check to fund Jihad. That would solve the problem, but you a-holes would see it as helping the Jews, and your banshee howling would reverberate worldwide.

[Reagan Man]

The president’s problem in Iraq is the result of an unnecessary war.

Pat was once a reasonable, sensible and proud conservative. This doom and gloom from Buchanan is defeatist rhetoric and makes him look foolish.

After 9-11, Bush and company realized the war on terrorism is better fought over there, then over here. Let's keep it that way.

[Britton J Wingfield]

Japan will not help.

BS. Japan voted to send a cadre of engineers, which is a groundbreaking event in their post-WWII history.

[Honestfreedom]

Pat has the potential to be the next Arianna Huffington. Drifts from one obscure position to another with fewer and fewer followers. He sets up the choices well but comes up with the worst conclusion. If we back out of Iraq now, we lose the war on terror.